American Indian Airwaves - Thursday, June 4, 2026

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1. Hi, this is Lonnie Jordan, founding member of the band WAR, and I'm a big fan of KPFK, 90.7 FM, Los Angeles.
2. If you stop to listen
3. You can hear their hearts beating loud
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5. Hello everyone, you're listening to American Indian Airwaves.
6. For Marcus Lopez, I'm your host, Larry Smith.
7. On today's program, we'll hear from ancestor John Trudell,
8. in DNA, Descendant Now, Ancestor, here on American Indian Airwaves.
9. You can hear when the moon shines bright
10. The lone fool in the black of night
11. You can hear, you can hear the whisper in the valley
12. And you know when Kama Kani blows to the Bahu drum
13. It's the warriors who are marching down the mountain
14. Because history ain't no mystery to me
15. Today on American Indian Airwaves, we hear from beloved ancestor John Trudell
16. in his spoken word album, DNA, Descendant, Now Ancestor.
17. And now here is John Trudell in his own words.
18. In the reality of many realities, how we see what we see affects the quality of our reality.
19. We are children of earth and sky.
20. DNA, descendant, now ancestor.
21. Human being, physical spirit.
22. Bone, flesh, blood as spirit.
23. metal, mineral, water as spirit.
24. We are in time and space,
25. but we're from beyond time and space.
26. The past is part of the present.
27. The future is part of the present.
28. Life and being are interwoven.
29. We are the DNA of earth, moon, planets, stars.
30. We are related to the universal.
31. creator created creation
32. spirit and intelligence with clarity
33. being and human as power
34. we are a part of the generations of evolution
35. we are a part of the memories
36. these memories carry knowledge
37. these memories carry our identity
38. beneath race, gender, class, age
39. beneath citizen, business, state, religion
40. we are human being
41. and these memories are trying to remind us
42. human beings
43. human beings
44. it is time to rise up
45. remember who we are
46. famine in the plenty
47. patience burns quick waiting for the rich but the rich won hurry The rich eat us so the rich don worry
48. In the sun's shadow, water melts into cold, running rivers of want.
49. Want needs justice, but justice is just ice in those rivers of want.
50. the stars in the night have seen it all
51. what isn't remembered takes time to weep
52. the soul isn't empty yet it feels that way
53. confusion in the happy place
54. the great lie is one with all the little lies
55. edges of breaking dreams
56. cutting into other dreams
57. I want to talk a little bit about who we are
58. because I think the coherency of our future
59. depends upon us knowing who we are
60. and I mean truly understanding who we are
61. because our relationship to reality
62. and our relationship to power
63. is based upon that understanding.
64. But sometimes I feel like I'm in a reality
65. where we don't remember who we are
66. so therefore we don't know who we are.
67. we speak a language we don't understand
68. and because of this we don't know
69. where we are
70. and I think that we live in a technologic reality
71. that these conditions are the result of a mining process
72. I'm going to call it a mining process
73. and there's a reason we are in this situation
74. but it's got to do with being fed upon by a system
75. so I want to go
76. to who we are.
77. See, we're the human beings.
78. And it's very important
79. because we all know how to say the words.
80. We know the terms.
81. I know we know the terms
82. because they taught them to us.
83. They programmed this to us.
84. And the words, human beings.
85. But our relationship to reality
86. is in that definition.
87. So human,
88. the bone flesh and blood
89. the DNA of the human
90. the bone flesh and blood
91. is literally made up of
92. the metals minerals and
93. liquids of the earth
94. so we are parts of the
95. earth we are shapes of
96. the earth we're forms of
97. the earth this is the
98. form that we are all
99. the things of the earth
100. have the same DNA as
101. the human does
102. everything of the earth
103. has the same DNA as
104. the human everything is
105. made up of the metals
106. minerals and liquids of
107. the earth but the shape
108. is just different
109. and the purpose is different.
110. And being, we have being.
111. That's our essence.
112. That's our spirit.
113. And all of the things of the earth
114. have the same DNA as the human has,
115. so all the things of the earth have being.
116. Spirit.
117. And our relationship to power and reality
118. is in that understanding of who we are.
119. We are forms of the earth, and that's reality.
120. nothing will ever change that reality
121. what has changed is our
122. perceptional relationship to reality
123. and what has happened to us
124. through the millennium
125. and through this whole
126. technologic perception of reality
127. what has happened to the human beings
128. to me it's like a disease
129. in one way it's like this thing
130. just kind of spreads
131. and as it diseases the spirit of the people
132. it affects the perception of reality
133. so in one way it's kind of like that
134. it's like a possession
135. but in another way
136. It almost like a mechanical thing this mining process that takes place And it almost like this thing that they call technologic civilization see is predatory upon our lives Anybody ever feel something missing from their life like purpose or understanding
137. or self-worth or self, whatever the deal is, they're mining us, all right, they're mining
138. us.
139. And one of the objectives of this whole technologic civilized perceptional reality has got to
140. do with erasing the memories of the human beings because we have a common collective experience.
141. We are all the descendants of tribes. Back in the time of the original dream, see, we were all tribes
142. and we were all the earth's children and we all knew that the earth was our mother and that we
143. were a part of a spiritual reality, see, because we had being. We understood that there was a
144. spiritual reality and we were physical in a spiritual reality. We being who we are today,
145. however we landed in this reality, whoever we are today, we carry the genetic experience of
146. our lineage from the very beginning. It's encoded in the DNA. It's like a genetic memory.
147. Something about the experience of the journey. We have it in us. It's like,
148. but anyway, within our genetic memories, within our genetic memories, somewhere hidden in there,
149. we all come from a people. Every one of us comes from a people that understood that we
150. lived in a spiritual reality. And because we lived in a spiritual reality, every one of our beginning
151. ancestral peoples understood that life was about responsibility. So we were responsible for the
152. past and the future as well as the present. And we understood that all things had being.
153. So we knew who we were, we understood what we were saying, and we knew where we were,
154. we knew our purpose
155. and this reality
156. lives
157. in our genetic memory
158. because see as human beings
159. whoever we are
160. the individuals we are now
161. that experience is there
162. it's at 90% of the brain
163. to tell us we can't use
164. so they're using it
165. earth DNA pulls
166. genetic memory
167. ancient spirit
168. sky
169. father sky
170. The magic valley, earth, mother earth
171. Childhood distances, hard to remember
172. What was never to be forgotten
173. Never to be forgotten
174. Predators stalk all living things
175. The death mask feeds on living essence
176. Feelings become fugitives
177. Emotions are cold alibis
178. When hurt can't hurt anymore
179. Raged ones rise
180. Feeding the beast
181. All aggression is justified
182. And the beast grows
183. Flow of thought
184. Harnessed into mind sets
185. A damning
186. Diseased spirits
187. Cannibals and vampires feast
188. Mining minds
189. In civilized ritual
190. The religion of business and machine
191. Pay homage to technologic gods
192. At material altars the mass prays a prayer of need and wanting more
193. Earth DNA pulls
194. Genetic memory
195. Ancient spirit
196. Sky
197. Father sky
198. The magic valley
199. Earth
200. Mother earth
201. What was never to be forgotten
202. Children of earth
203. What we see affects our realities What is always to be remembered the beast needs us to believe always to be remembered free our minds free the reality
204. We all understand that in this technologic reality that we live,
205. this technologic dimensional reality that we live in,
206. we understand that they can take the DNA of the earth
207. that is called uranium in that shape and form,
208. So they can take that DNA of the earth that is uranium and it has being, spirit,
209. and they can take it from the earth and they put it through a mining refinement process
210. and convert the being part of that uranium into a form of energy, electrical energy,
211. that they call power.
212. And in a way it is power, but in reality it's a mutated form of power.
213. And after they do this kind of a process, then we know that there's toxic waste
214. and that there's poison left over from it.
215. and we know they do it with fossils.
216. Take that old dinosaur DNA
217. and put it through the mining refining process
218. and convert the being of that DNA
219. into a form of energy
220. that runs again another electrical system
221. and that also leaves behind
222. its pollutions and its things.
223. See so I think that they're doing it to us
224. because we come from the same reality
225. we're made up of the same thing
226. our shape is different
227. that's all
228. Our shape and our function is different because our shape is different.
229. But you come down to the genetic makeup of all of it, or the majority of water.
230. But water has metals in it and it has minerals in it.
231. See, but I think as a part of that reality, see, that we're being mined.
232. The being part of human is being mined.
233. It's being mined by a perception of reality.
234. And the people who enforce that perception of reality by indoctrinating it into every generation of human beings that is born.
235. see so
236. to me
237. one of the purpose of
238. this technologic
239. perceptional civilization
240. is
241. that we are the fuel
242. that runs it
243. and
244. the poison
245. the toxic
246. that is left over
247. from the mining
248. of the being part of human
249. through the human
250. through the intelligence
251. of the human
252. alright
253. all the fears
254. and doubts
255. and insecurities
256. that we have in our lives,
257. within our own personal reality about who we are,
258. the things that others don't see,
259. that's the pollution and the toxic left over
260. from the mining of the being part of human.
261. That's the pollution that's left over, see,
262. because in that kind of a haze,
263. see, we don't see ourselves clearly.
264. We do not see and recognize clearly who we are,
265. and we're never encouraged to.
266. We're encouraged to be good citizens
267. or good this religion or good that religion
268. or good workers, but we're never encouraged to be real about human beings.
269. In a way, we're never really encouraged to be good to ourselves.
270. See, we're mentally and psychologically oppressed and manipulated
271. so that we seek things to gratify ourselves,
272. but that doesn't mean we bring good to ourselves.
273. And the mining process, to me, it's the civilizing process itself
274. because somewhere in there
275. it's like someone's eating a spirit.
276. Our spirit is being converted into an energy
277. to run something.
278. And it's like it's eating our spirit.
279. You know, everyone has their religions and their stuff,
280. but it makes me wonder,
281. how do we participate in this spiritual reality
282. if we live in a mechanism now
283. where the human has been conditioned and trained
284. to eat its own spirit
285. and turn it into fuel for this system.
286. Moths and other sacred wings,
287. butterflies and bees whisper.
288. In breath of the wind, blessed ways, blessing way things.
289. Dreams are the mind's streams, thought pictures of the spirit.
290. There are dreams of the day, there are dreams of night.
291. Thinking and dreaming are related.
292. Dreams of the day we make our own.
293. Dreams of night, part of eternal stone.
294. There are dream takers taking from dream worlds,
295. taking dreams as a way of stealing thoughts
296. turning minds inside and out
297. dream slavers want to change our connections to ourselves
298. mess with our dreams
299. make us unsure, unclear about right and wrong
300. feed our dreams and instincts
301. to industrial profit machine
302. difference between dream and fantasy
303. reality and illusion
304. center and no center
305. dreams of the day keep our spirit alive our creative mind who we really are with dreams we
306. can create and heal follow our original purpose dreams are protection good medicine blessed way
307. blessed way things sun and moon continue we are all on one journey and you're listening to american
308. Indian Airwaves, we're listening to
309. ancestor John Trudell,
310. the album DNA,
311. Descendant Now, Ancestor.
312. And now, back to
313. ancestor John Trudell.
314. So life was about
315. responsibility.
316. And the earth was the mother.
317. And at some point,
318. in the evolution of the human beings,
319. another
320. perception of reality appeared.
321. And this perception of reality,
322. it took the spirit away from the animals
323. and all of the other things
324. and it started changing spirit into human form,
325. the gods and the goddesses.
326. So at some point in the evolution, see,
327. it started to take the way the people prayed.
328. But it has to do with iron and bronze
329. and all these things starting to become mind.
330. So it's like it kind of evolved in this kind of a way.
331. It's like, see, in a way religion emerged
332. but it was like a mining tool
333. for the technologic reality
334. that was manifesting itself through industrialization.
335. But it became almost like a tool,
336. because you got to go to the center of where the human being is,
337. because all human beings want to know where we come from
338. and where we're going, what's our purpose.
339. So you've got to go there if you're going to mess with them.
340. You have to go there to the very beginnings.
341. The beginnings and the heart of the spiritual realities.
342. So, the God thing evolved, the religious thing,
343. that changed the creation story from being a creation story
344. to where there was a new story.
345. And this new story was that there was a male dominator God
346. removed from the earth,
347. who owned everything because he made it.
348. So he owned it.
349. All right?
350. Now, at this point,
351. in our common collective genetic ancestral memory,
352. every one of our relations back in that time rejected this
353. because life worked for them,
354. because the earth was the mother and the sky was the father.
355. It's like the great spirit.
356. The spirits, everything, it worked for them.
357. They maintained a balance.
358. They knew who they were.
359. They knew what their purpose was.
360. They knew their relationship to power.
361. They knew everything about their lives.
362. So it worked for them.
363. But they were forced to accept this other perceptional reality
364. through violence and terror and aggression Same thing happened to the Indians here by the descendants of the tribes of Europe happened to the tribes of Europe and their descendants That why they behaved the way they did when they got here
365. And this is where I think sexism comes from.
366. I think it comes from our relationship to the earth.
367. See, I think sexism was one of the mining tools
368. because when you're going to convince all of the human beings
369. and whatever tribes that they're in
370. as you come into contact with them,
371. you had to turn them against the earth
372. to promote this male God thing,
373. to alter the perceptional reality.
374. So this is where sexism came.
375. It came as a way because, see,
376. as long as the people considered themselves
377. to be the children of the earth and a part of the earth,
378. they would not plunder the earth.
379. They would not aid in the bet
380. or accept the plundering of the earth
381. because the earth is their mother.
382. See, that's why sexism came in as a way
383. because in order to attack the earth
384. amongst the human beings they came into contact with,
385. they had to attack their perceptional reality about the woman in relationship to the earth and life.
386. So sexism, so it became, it was like a mining tool to help turn us against the earth and make the earth available for plunder.
387. So in order to have all this experience get dumped down in our ancestral past,
388. because it was all like what I'm saying is this mining process.
389. As the technology grew, the ways and methods of mining remained the same.
390. And it's almost like a predatory behavior.
391. The behavior pattern never really changes itself.
392. What the behavior pattern does is it just outlasts the generations.
393. So after five generations are gone, the behavior pattern can be as predatory as it ever was,
394. like medieval Europe.
395. The behavior pattern can be as aggressive as it ever was,
396. because after five generations, who's going to remember what was there?
397. The terminology changes, the technology changes.
398. So it's like there's this thing that's just kind of been to me, right?
399. that's a part of this civilization
400. that just,
401. it just kind of
402. re-manifests itself
403. but the continual thing
404. is it eats our spirit
405. to me,
406. converts,
407. feeds off of us
408. in some kind of a way.
409. See,
410. so this is why it's important
411. to separate everybody
412. from any ancestral
413. understandings and teachings
414. because,
415. see,
416. they don't want anybody
417. to know this.
418. So everybody thinks
419. they got hope.
420. And the thing continues
421. to spread
422. because you,
423. women,
424. look at what the
425. women's suffrage was
426. in the 1800s.
427. So now you have the right to vote and you made certain little gains, but see it's still the same war.
428. And the concessions are given very slowly.
429. And it's this way with labor, it's this way with all of the things.
430. But anyway, its behavior pattern basically remains the same.
431. And its means of conducting its behavior pattern, that's what really changes.
432. And the generation of people that it gets conducted on, this changes.
433. But in order for all this stuff to happen, they have to neutralize our intelligence.
434. They have to create a confusion in our own perceptional reality.
435. So somewhere in each and every one of us there's a collective genetic memory that goes way
436. back to the beginning of the original dream, the beginning of our stories.
437. our relationship to power and reality is connected to us understanding that that is there.
438. But we're in a technologic perception of reality that does not want us to understand that.
439. The voice has said, Antichrist is anti-life.
440. Greed, death's agents taking command.
441. Society conditioned in death.
442. Death to the air.
443. Death to the water.
444. Death to the future.
445. Death in the mind The voices said people strung out in confusion dancing at ends of industrial wires reactionary lives reactionary minds forgetting who we are disguising servitude fooling ourselves
446. in lies of freedom.
447. The voices said, industrial needs, human beings don't really matter.
448. Their labor does.
449. Energy consumed.
450. Submission in many forms is submission not recognized.
451. Material prisons, racial prisons, sexual prisons, chemical prisons,
452. system prisons, angry prisons, slamming cell doors, shut in human minds.
453. The voices said we are earth's children.
454. The people must stand strong.
455. Our will is our life.
456. Man, respect woman.
457. Brother, help sister.
458. young help old, relative help relative, nation help nation.
459. The voices said, entering and leaving we gather strength.
460. When we know power, we are power.
461. When we know peace, we are peace.
462. When we know the time, we are the time.
463. It's like severing our relationship to power is the objective.
464. our use of our intelligence, see, and our coherency.
465. So all this cloudy has created this illusion,
466. because really it is.
467. Crazy or sad, we live in the shadow of the real world,
468. seeing we really, really do.
469. Under the male dominator, creator theory,
470. see, all spiritual value really is removed away from the earth.
471. So the earth isn't your mother anymore.
472. The earth is the dominion and property of this new God,
473. and you are to subdue it.
474. see that's like Martians landing
475. it really is
476. see because it's a completely
477. different perceptional reality
478. going from caring for the earth
479. alright
480. to dominating the earth
481. and incidentally
482. you know as a part of this process
483. see you
484. incidentally
485. you created a moral crime
486. for being born
487. so therefore
488. Or you have to listen to the authority of this new male God because you made a crime for being here.
489. You see, before that was brought here, life was a gift.
490. So when you were born, it was like an exchange of gifts, a gift to a gift.
491. And even dying was like a gift because, once again, it was an exchange of life because we were part of a spiritual reality as physical beings.
492. But anyway, this other thing he changed about there was something wrong with us.
493. for being born.
494. See, and it's maybe a big thing.
495. See, to me, I think it's a major thing
496. because, see, the first time that human being gets this,
497. that they're guilty, all right, for being born,
498. it alters their perception of self.
499. It alters them from seeing themselves
500. from the reality of who they are
501. because they're picking up someone's illusion
502. and they're viewing themselves through the illusion.
503. And the way that that illusion seems to work,
504. See, people don't learn from their guilt.
505. They just make new guilts.
506. See, so to me, in the end, it becomes a deal about irresponsibility.
507. So even though all the words are being said, see, it's an irresponsible behavior.
508. It's an irresponsible behavior because we are responsible for what we do.
509. But when they condition us to feel guilty, and then we have to listen to their chain of command and be submissive to them, we are not taking responsibility.
510. And we are not showing respect to our creator whoever it is alright for the gift of intelligence and life been hanging out down south of hell playing to the music of a broken bell
511. hard times and beating myself up inside my head
512. how was the walking wounded or the living dead
513. tie a yellow ribbon around my brain
514. my mind booked it's been gone so long
515. rash traveling with mad and insane
516. tears fell like tears
517. rain fell like rain
518. shadow man called catch me if you can
519. knowing he can't be caught
520. he's the shadow man
521. trickster turned free into junk
522. and a rubber room
523. and junkie fix
524. has even stolen from the moon
525. leaders know they can't trust ones who follow
526. followers know not to trust ones who lead
527. love, hate, despair and promises turn narcotic
528. if everything's normal
529. then reality's psychotic
530. claiming to understand dimension and space
531. Babylon huffs and puffs
532. bullying around in the natural order
533. temptation rules in the valley of fools
534. celestial cannibals feast on essence
535. the civilized hide out from their lives
536. the traumatized worry about everything
537. hypnotized worrying into nothing at all
538. been hanging out down south of hell
539. playing to the music of a broken bell
540. hard times and beating myself up inside my head
541. I was the walking wounded
542. or the living dead
543. now intelligence
544. and all this stuff happens through our intelligence
545. And just to have an example of how much of a relationship we have to power through our intelligence.
546. Let's go into our own individual personal realities, the ones that nobody gets to see in.
547. You know, let's look at, okay, how much of this pollution,
548. how much of my life is affected by my fears and my doubts and my paranoias and my insecurities,
549. the things I hide from everybody but I can't hide from me even though I try.
550. How much of my reality is affected by that?
551. and in how much does that affect the realities of the people that I'm closest to.
552. This is power.
553. This is the power of our intelligence.
554. And I define intelligence as our imagination, our creativity,
555. our thoughts and our actions upon these things.
556. See, so whatever the answer is,
557. however the negativity, the toxic, is working within our reality,
558. whatever kind of power it has
559. in the way our lives unfold
560. well that's how we're using our imagination
561. our creativity and our thoughts
562. because we have been programmed
563. and conditioned to use that
564. to use our intelligence in that manner
565. and
566. mining takes place like
567. it's like slight of mind
568. we're told
569. the more money we make the more powerful we become
570. but that's not true
571. the more money we make the more access to authority we have
572. but it has absolutely nothing to do with power really
573. it's about authority
574. and in actuality in the actual actuality
575. authority represents an absence of power
576. that's why it is needed
577. but we're told or whoever has the biggest army
578. that makes them powerful, but it doesn't.
579. It gives them violent access to authority.
580. As we go through our lives trying to seek our own personal self-empowerment
581. and all of these kinds of terminologies and these things that we're looking for,
582. we're not going to synchronize it.
583. If we call authority power, if we don't understand a certain reality,
584. see, because we don't want authority.
585. We don't want all of the money.
586. We don't want all of the guns.
587. See, so these are not things that we really want to have.
588. But if we look at that as being power, then we do not see ourselves clearly as power.
589. And you're listening to American Indian Airwaves.
590. We're listening to Ancestor John Trudell, the album DNA, Descendant Now, Ancestor.
591. And now back to Ancestor John Trudell.
592. Because what I'm starting to get an understanding of, we live in a reality they don't want us to see clearly.
593. They do not want us to see clearly.
594. They do not want us to act coherently.
595. And who is they?
596. just for lack of a better way, I'm just going to say it's that industrial ruling class that is
597. basically colonizing this planet, all right, and operating and creating a class of ethnic rich.
598. Because when I talk about ethnics, you know, the smallest number are the rich.
599. They are the minority in a majority system. The minority is the richest.
600. Okay. So our relationship to power is connected to our relationship to the earth
601. and the use of our intelligence.
602. Because any clear, coherent thinking society,
603. we would not live the way that we live today
604. if this was a coherent, free thinking, clear thinking society.
605. And I know that, and we all know that.
606. We live this way because we have to accept certain things.
607. See, but the biggest obstacle to me
608. in getting after what we need to get after
609. is in how clearly we see ourselves.
610. Because again, to respect this about our intelligence
611. and about showing respect to our creator, see,
612. then we need to be real to ourselves.
613. We should be able to face the reality of who we are
614. no matter what it is we do in this reality.
615. If there's any respect of the self,
616. we owe it to ourself.
617. If there's any respect, see,
618. because all these things manifest.
619. See, if it's weak at the heart,
620. then it's going to be weak
621. as it goes out into the world.
622. So we have to respect the self enough
623. to be real to who we are.
624. And it will help the synchronization of things in general
625. in the long run.
626. It truly will help.
627. See, but if we have to hide from ourselves,
628. then everything we do is going to be altered
629. by that little alteration, our reality.
630. The realities we seek or dream or chase,
631. they're going to be altered because of that way,
632. because we're not concentrating
633. and using the power of who we are,
634. but we're altering it.
635. See, so we should always be real to ourselves.
636. We should always do this.
637. Even if our truths are shameful or glorious, it doesn't matter.
638. I'm not saying judge it.
639. I'm saying face it.
640. If it makes us uncomfortable and we can live with it, then fine.
641. We're uncomfortable and we live with it.
642. If it's something we can't handle, then fine.
643. We can't handle it.
644. And it all evolves through the behavior pattern.
645. It evolves through our life.
646. But we need to be real to ourselves.
647. that is a part of our spiritual responsibility
648. that never ever goes away
649. it's coming back
650. all the way back to the ancestral beginning
651. the collective genetic memory
652. see that was a part of our responsibility
653. was to be real
654. while we were here
655. and we have that ability
656. it's just that we have been
657. mind manipulated in such a way
658. see that that being part of human truly is being changed into a form of energy see and so it got to do with how we think and how we use our intelligence You know because there are no solutions
659. to any of the problems in front of us now, all right?
660. There are only ways of dealing with them.
661. But any solution, see, if we clear our individual
662. and our collective intelligence and coherency and clarity,
663. if we would set forth to clear,
664. to make our intelligence clear
665. and our perceptional reality a little bit more coherent,
666. We set in that direction individually, collectively, then answers will come.
667. We were born 18.
668. If you think we're strange, you ought to see the others.
669. We were born 18.
670. In the middle of a Babylon dream.
671. It's a crying shame is the name of the game.
672. Learning how to ride out the storm.
673. What did we take?
674. What did we steal?
675. What did we keep?
676. What did we waste?
677. We wandered with neon eyes among broken lights,
678. out of sync fantasies unbecoming to reality,
679. turning over images for others to see.
680. What we can't face looks for us anyway,
681. breathing down our necks these breaths of fire.
682. We fought the cannibals, still nothing settled.
683. With all these hungers to go around,
684. masters of disguises living double lives,
685. hiding and smiling.
686. We were born 18.
687. Nothing we can do but conjure what we need.
688. The work going on is the work going on.
689. It's just more pyramids and slaves
690. wasting lives to the royal flush.
691. Nothing new happening here.
692. Nothing new.
693. We were born 18.
694. If you think we're strange,
695. you ought to see the others.
696. We were born 18.
697. in the middle of a Babylon dream.
698. It's a crying shame
699. is the name of the game.
700. Every word has power.
701. Every word has power.
702. And the power of every word
703. is that every word has its own precise meaning.
704. If you mean this and you use that word to mean this,
705. then something's not synchronizing.
706. Because every word has its own meaning.
707. Because every word comes from somewhere.
708. It's in here.
709. It comes from the feeling.
710. Somewhere in this process, the feeling, the thought.
711. See, in the feeling, that's how the being speaks to the human, is through feelings.
712. And how the human handles how the feelings are, the human uses emotions to suppress the feelings or manipulate the feelings.
713. But anyway, every word that comes out, at some point, it's coming from all of our centers.
714. and we're turning it into sound
715. and we're tossing it into the world of vibration,
716. the vibratory world, the vibration of sound.
717. It's like throwing a pebble in a pond.
718. Something happens.
719. Now, believe is a word that I have a serious problem with, right?
720. Because it's got a lie in the middle.
721. B-E-L-I-E-V-E.
722. So it makes me look at this word very, very carefully.
723. See, I come from people who have beliefs,
724. so I respect that.
725. but, you know, it kind of drives me a little bit nutty,
726. just kind of just generally in the conversation that floats around
727. in the society that we're in, how many times I hear I believe.
728. It does.
729. Oh, man.
730. See, and I don't mean any offense to anyone, see,
731. but I'd be breathing a whole lot better if everybody was saying I think.
732. You know?
733. I breathe a whole lot better Because sometimes believe number one it a passive word
734. It's not active.
735. It's a passive word.
736. It means we're not thinking.
737. Because I think, again, when one looks at the mining process,
738. when is it in our belief process, all right, that we stop thinking?
739. You know, when is it that, well, I believe this, so I no longer really think about it.
740. Or I pretend to think about it, but in my pretend thinking, what I'm really doing is
741. I'm pretend thinking about it within the definitions and limitations of my belief.
742. I'm not going outside and looking at this thing.
743. I'm thinking about it within the limitations of my belief.
744. See, in everything that was ever done to us, in our collective genetic ancestry,
745. everything that was ever done to us was to make us believe them.
746. everything to believe the way they wanted us to believe because that's the most intricate part
747. of the mining thing to get us to believe because we don't believe them they can't mine us
748. so they put every kind of confusion and clarity out there for us to believe but it all emanates
749. from them and the way it all emanates from them is that we really have no value without them
750. but yet i come from people who have beliefs and i and i respect those beliefs because i'm
751. you know i'm a product of those beliefs but i'm saying we need to understand how we use the word
752. when we use the word.
753. And thinking, the gift of intelligence.
754. We think our own misery and insecurity every damn day
755. and every one of us has a form of it
756. and I know that we do because it got us all.
757. So when we're thinking like that, you know,
758. and we're believing a lot of stuff that's negative about us
759. and that is completely negative to reality
760. and we're being fed upon by our beliefs,
761. it isn't our best interest.
762. Whatever our creator is that we say we respect and we pray to,
763. it is in our best interest to respect the gift that that creator gave us,
764. which is our lives, and it means that we use our intelligence
765. to think a little more clearly, then that's what we need to do.
766. Because about the thinking part, see, we can't stop.
767. We never stop.
768. Even when we sleep, we dream.
769. We just don't, either we remember it or we don't, but it's always going.
770. It's just sometimes we're turned off to the process.
771. See, so there's so much power in there.
772. because everything that happened to us happened to alter our perceptional reality.
773. And that's the basis of what happens today.
774. So anyway, what ended up happening here, as it manifested itself,
775. I live now in this century, whatever time frame we're in now, right?
776. We're in it, and I look around, and I see that I live in a society
777. where the people feel powerless.
778. They're angry.
779. They're pissed off.
780. They're frustrated.
781. There are a lot of things, but they feel powerless.
782. And you can see it.
783. You can see it in a calm collective psyche because they allow the lie.
784. They just accept the lie.
785. Vote and it'll get better.
786. Yeah.
787. Yes.
788. Right?
789. And see, what I'm saying, and I'm not trying to overthrow anything,
790. but I want to say this about democracy.
791. See, you know, there's a timeline here, and I don't know where I'm at on it, so I might be getting short.
792. But I want to say it's about democracy, and I want to say it's about freedom.
793. It's not about freedom.
794. Right?
795. And I be careful, me personally, I'm very careful of people and how they use the word freedom because, you know, sometimes we use it, we're habitual users.
796. You know?
797. And a word like freedom see because to me the lie that I see in freedom is if I believe in my freedom that means I make the rules So that means I have to accept everybody deal of freedom See the racist has the freedom to be a racist Like
798. I got the freedom to be a nut. Because if I get to decide freedom, then every human being has the
799. right to make that decision for themselves. Otherwise, it's a lie. It keeps us from synchronizing
800. all the things that we want to synchronize, like our intent and our consciousness and our motives,
801. because we don't understand exactly what it means. See, it's about responsibility, I'm telling you.
802. It's not about freedom or our rights. In some ways, on some lower level ways, it is. But in
803. the reality it's about our responsibility we take our responsibility and exercise our responsibility
804. and we will be free and our rightful place will be manifested we want our responsibilities we want
805. our responsibilities we will take our responsibilities see then then the whole issue
806. of freedom and rights that's going to get solved real quick in an evolutionary reality when when
807. we understand that it's about taking responsibility, then we will solve many of these problems
808. at a much more accelerated rate. Because that's really what it's about. Because they've got
809. us chasing certain abstractions. But I know if I'm locked up in a cage, I want my freedom.
810. See, I understand that. So some kind of a way, then there's ways maybe the word should
811. be used and we should be careful about the word, how we're using them. Because it's very
812. central to how we get to participate in this reality. Us understanding
813. that all the words have power. And I'm not trying to trash
814. on anybody's gods or anybody's belief, anything.
815. And actually, I don't particularly want you to believe me.
816. But if it's there and there's something to think about, that's what I want.
817. Is like, to think about it.
818. And he whispered smoke down on the corner. There was this cat named
819. fortunately talking at me from voices in his head yelling about what storyteller said
820. you've got to be careful here child there's a beast in the promised land
821. there's madness you don't understand the beast is crazed and running wild
822. little boy man little girl woman no big deal nothing personal your mind is another meal
823. savoring the rush of you like heady wine
824. feeding is what the beast is meant to do
825. stranger those walls built to hide
826. stranger to look and learn not to see
827. he's in the mask you put on your face
828. thought is his favorite breeding place
829. in the race to midnight it's after eleven
830. the nature of the beast is all he knows
831. behind doors of hell are gates of heaven
832. the doors are open
833. but the gates are closed
834. see so certain things just got to be looked at
835. distinctions have got to be made
836. and our intelligence
837. this is our way through
838. you know it's like
839. we need to define our own reality
840. for one thing
841. you know
842. we seriously need to
843. define our own reality
844. because whatever it is
845. I'm going to say
846. that people believe in
847. or show respect to
848. or to worship
849. however they express it to their creator,
850. if they don't use their intelligence as intelligently,
851. as often as they can,
852. if they don't use it to continually on a daily basis wake up,
853. on a daily basis strive to see the world,
854. See, clarity and coherence.
855. If they do not do that, then to me, in my own personal opinion,
856. then all the other stuff, see, it's just neutralized.
857. Because the gift that this entity gave to us is the valuable gift,
858. and it's our way through everything.
859. It's the evolutionary protection, see, but we're allowing them to mine us,
860. and we're just kind of trashing, beating ourselves up inside of our heads,
861. and going along with the program.
862. So something has to be re-looked at.
863. And you're listening to American Indian Airwaves. We're listening to ancestor John Trudell, the album DNA, Descendant Now, Ancestor. And now back to ancestor John Trudell.
864. You know, to me, see, it's more than nonviolent civil disobedience.
865. It's more than a lot.
866. See, somewhere in there, the deal is about non-cooperation.
867. See, non-cooperation.
868. See, I mean, ideally, what I would like to see someday is
869. on one given agreed-upon day,
870. without putting anybody else's ideas or ideologies
871. or political agendas or anything,
872. just one agreed-upon day when nobody would spend any money.
873. you got to go to work you got to do your stuff but they won't spend any money see because any
874. access to power that the collective mass has now all right and it's diminishing rapidly all right
875. but any access to power that the collective mass has now in dealing with this system is this by
876. not cooperating by not participating see so if for one day i i think it should be done standing
877. fast for the earth and kind of fast without money for one day right and do all your shopping the day
878. before the day after because the way they're balancing this economic lie about the economy
879. is doing really good and better than it's ever been the way they're balancing all these books
880. they need that daily consumption from everybody and they need as much as they can get from
881. everybody didn't god say that the seven day was to rest see so there's people in here i mean people
882. in this reality who cannot be offended by this idea because of a significant number do it
883. that it can't be ignored.
884. It's an exercise in power.
885. It's exactly what it is.
886. You know, what the reality of our access to power really is.
887. I saw Columbus the other day.
888. He's a wino on 6th and Main.
889. Every day blotting out something he can't quite remember.
890. I saw Henry VIII crying in the eyes of a battered woman,
891. hiding from a violence she didn't know how
892. she got herself into this
893. I saw Caesar in a foot soldier
894. needing a job
895. waiting for his bullet
896. patriotic fever
897. not understanding war
898. just following orders
899. I saw pharaohs, princes and queens
900. in a haze unlike a dream
901. industrial peasants all in a row
902. why aren't their lives their own
903. I saw a Nazi in a worn-out lie
904. nourishing prophets with blood and spirit
905. national security the needle we are injected through
906. I saw a chance today
907. reality connected to our shadow
908. how we live clears it all up
909. when we learn we stop paying
910. by the time Columbus got here
911. in 1492
912. See, people have many opinions about him, who he was or what he was, but whatever, see, he was really like the virus.
913. And the spirit was being eaten by disease and it affected the perceptional reality of the human See so when Columbus and him got here
914. and we told them who we were, they didn't know.
915. Well, we're the people, we're the human beings.
916. But they didn't know because it wasn't a part of their perceptional reality.
917. The concept was no longer a part of their perceptional reality.
918. See, this is what happened to the tribes of Europe
919. and the descendants of the tribes of Europe.
920. And so I know that by the time Columbus got here, and I got a pretty good idea way before that, but by the time Columbus got here, the idea of a human being and people in that kind of a way was no longer a part of their perceptional reality.
921. And we'll look at, but what did Columbus come out of?
922. See, when he got here, this hemisphere had no protection to this disease because it had never been here like that.
923. so there was no immune system to the disease as it moved
924. because the disease came through the wind and the water,
925. so it was airborne in a way and water carried,
926. so it just took the shape of a man
927. rather than something you can't see,
928. but it arrived.
929. All right, and this spirit that was being eaten,
930. which made this diseased perception of reality.
931. So by the time Columbus got here,
932. all right, let's look about 1100 A.D. or 1000 A.D.,
933. the church made the decision that it was God's government.
934. It was the authority of God on earth, so it was God's government.
935. And at that time, the descendants of the tribes of Europe
936. no longer remembered that they come from tribes.
937. This wasn't really a part of their conscious reality.
938. Because by 1000 AD, see, they had been owned by,
939. they had been owned for many, many, many generations
940. by whoever claimed ownership of the land and started owning the land.
941. Then they became thieves and they became serfs and they became peasants.
942. So they really had no reality about being a part of the tribe anymore
943. because they were just the property that was owned like whoever the landlord was
944. or the royalty at any given time that owned that land or claimed that land.
945. They belonged to that land like all of the other natural resources of the land.
946. But they still prayed to spirits.
947. see they still
948. the women still had a stronger role
949. yet from the old tribal way
950. and they still prayed to spirits
951. so the church
952. by 1000 AD or 1100 AD
953. it decided
954. that it was now going to mine this resource
955. I mean
956. save the souls of the heathen
957. so the church created the inquisition
958. and basically the inquisition was
959. number one it was to change the perceptional reality
960. of the descendants of the tribes of Europe
961. and so they were terrorized and brutalized for 500 years in order to do this
962. but the way the church rationalized this was
963. they were going to save
964. they wanted to possess the souls of the heathens and the pagans
965. see they wanted to possess their souls in the name of their Lord
966. so this war was about possessing the souls
967. of the descendants of tribes of Europe
968. and in order to possess their souls they had to alter their perceptional reality
969. So if you thought differently than the church wanted you to think, bingo, you were killed.
970. You were tortured and your property was taken.
971. And if somebody accused you, basically you were guilty if you were accused.
972. You don't know, incidentally, during the torturing process, you'd probably say somebody else's name.
973. So now somebody else is going to kind of.
974. So they killed as efficiently as they possibly could with the technology they had at hand at the time.
975. And they did it for 500 years.
976. By the time Columbus got here, it had been going on for 400 years.
977. and by so by the time Columbus got here let say 20 years to a generation just for the lifespan during that time frame all right so by the time Columbus got here let say 20 years to a generation just for the lifespan during that time frame Alright so by the time Columbus got here the descendants of the tribes of Europe had been through 20 generations of having their spirit just completely attacked
978. And the way this possessed thing kind of just seems to manifest itself, so they became spiritually and physically now the possession of something else.
979. before that it was just physically
980. now they had become spiritually
981. the possession of someone else
982. so they had no
983. clarity about reality
984. so by the time Columbus got here
985. see they didn't know what it meant to be a human being anymore
986. it was just not a part
987. of their spiritual perceptional
988. relationship to reality
989. they were possessed, they were owned, they were property
990. you know
991. and one of the other things about this that kind of
992. evolved out of that. I think it evolved out of that.
993. It was anyway when the church was doing all of this to get the descendants of the tribes of Europe.
994. They finally figured out, well, hold it. If I want to stay alive and be a descendant of anything,
995. I'm going to have to accept these people.
996. So they embraced the church.
997. Because they had to embrace what they feared.
998. So they had to love what they feared in order to survive.
999. and what they had to love
1000. the thing that they had to love
1001. that they feared
1002. was possessing them
1003. so it's like love and fear and possession
1004. as a perceptional reality
1005. kind of became intertwined at that time
1006. and the human beings have not been able to sort it out yet
1007. so that affected everyone
1008. in some kind of a way
1009. that's not been healthy for us as human beings
1010. so anyway
1011. anything and all of these things that have happened to us
1012. through our generational evolution
1013. has been a learning experience
1014. and has been a part of our evolutionary experience.
1015. See, but I think that we're in the right time.
1016. We're in the right place at the right time,
1017. even if we don't quite get it.
1018. I don't think that we're here.
1019. There's a reason we're here.
1020. We're here at the time for us to be here.
1021. That's why us and the lives that we have lived
1022. that brought us to this place
1023. and that we will live when we leave this place.
1024. There's a reason that we're here.
1025. And part of it is,
1026. I know we're here at the right time
1027. and we're in the right place.
1028. It's just how are we going to start perceiving reality?
1029. And that's just really where it starts to become more clear.
1030. Out of self-respect, we owe it to ourselves.
1031. Out of respect of self, we owe it to the selves of others.
1032. Let's use our intelligence as intelligently as we can as often as we can.
1033. It's not even saying all the time, but maybe we get there someday.
1034. to understand, you know, there are moments in our lives,
1035. there are times in our lives
1036. when coherency would probably be the best thing to do,
1037. you know, before one deals with what's there in front of them.
1038. Because a part of what this confusion that I call
1039. that this pollution has left over in our perceptional reality, see,
1040. has got to do is they don't want us to think.
1041. Okay, this is the deal.
1042. Whoever this miner is,
1043. the way this thing works, they don't want us to think.
1044. I mean, I didn't really understand it.
1045. I knew this, but I didn't understand it.
1046. I knew this a long time ago,
1047. because at one point when I realized somewhere along the way
1048. that there was like these 17,000 pages of stuff on me, right?
1049. And I thought, hold it here, what did I do?
1050. Because I know what I did.
1051. So I know this was, I know how I participated.
1052. And just once it sunk into me about all of this had been done around someone like me right And it made me think well I understand what they fear now I mean I know what they fear I know their paranoia Because sometimes I can be coherent
1053. See, and they don't like that, right?
1054. They don't like it when I'm coherent in front of people
1055. because then we're coherent together.
1056. See, whether we agree with one another or not
1057. isn't the point.
1058. They just don't want us to be coherent
1059. individually or together, right?
1060. And so that's really what I figured out.
1061. this is why they have to have people spying on people and they got to do all this because they
1062. don't want us thinking. They don't want us thinking. I mean, in the hypothetical,
1063. some kind of dream. Well, I don't even know if this is a dream. But if we all, if every human
1064. being woke up tomorrow morning and said, all right, I will not enable what I know to be the lie
1065. all day today
1066. it would change
1067. it could not function
1068. if every human being
1069. got up tomorrow and said I will not enable it
1070. I will not participate in the lie
1071. today
1072. it would change
1073. the moment of silence is over
1074. And that was Ancestor John Trudell off his spoken word album DNA,
1075. Descendant Now Ancestor here on American Indian Airwaves.
1076. That concludes our show for today.
1077. A special thank you to our guest, Ancestor John Trudell.
1078. A special thank you to our musical guest, Aragon Star, Kupa Aina,
1079. and the band Blackfire.
1080. American Indian Airwaves is mixed and mastered
1081. in the studios of Burnt Swamp Studios
1082. in Signal Hill, California.
1083. For Marcus Lopez, I've been your host for the hour, Larry Smith.
1084. Until next time.
1085. Wearing their souls on a thread
1086. The moment of silence is over
1087. And for the innocent you can't justify
1088. Why your freedom manifests on their graves
1089. And the blood never comes clean from their guilty minds
1090. Nor the hands that hold the chains
1091. In a rhythm of resistance
1092. We still fight for our lives
1093. In this war that never ended
1094. We've outgrown your lies
1095. Let our actions speak
1096. We need your hours
1097. For all the lies
1098. There's a truth that must be heard
1099. you
1100. Thank you for listening to 90.7 FM in Los Angeles, 98.7 FM in Santa Barbara, 93.7 FM in San Diego, 99.5 FM in Ridgecrest and China Lake,
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