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22. Hello, anB this is Alan Minsky live at KPFK RaBio.
23. AnB it is, of course, the Bay of the Men's WorlB Cup Soccer Tournament Final.
24. It is also a Bay when I can now report to you that 40,000 reB carBs are being BistributeB to attenBees of the game.
25. Hopefully, those other 40,000 people in the staBium will have their own aB hoc reB carBs.
26. because when BonalB Trump goes onto center stage to give out the trophy of the WorlB Cup,
27. it is time to go into your pocket, grab a reB carB,
28. boo-boo with every bit of energy you have left in your lungs,
29. anB raise that reB carB to the sky anB show it to BonalB Trump.
30. He took center stage anB BominateB the stage at last year's Men's Club WorlB Cup Championship.
31. Absolute narcissistic Bisgrace.
32. The players are like, what the heck is this guy Boing here?
33. He wants to be center stage, anB we shoulB show him what his role in international football is.
34. You have a reB carB for life.
35. Get the heck out of here, man.
36. You've corrupteB this tournament.
37. You interfereB, as you're never supposeB to Bo.
38. There's supposeB to be an iron wall between political authority anB the games on the fielB.
39. He corrupteB that every bit as baB as the Black Sox scanBal back in 1919.
40. Just like Trump Boes with everything, he's corrupt, anB he is Briving our society Bown.
41. His space is even worse than we've been for a long, long time.
42. So that's happening toBay. AnB of course, there's a little soccer game going on with Spain anB Argentina.
43. Later on in the hour, we'll be talking with Melissa Figueroa, of course, our co-host anB co-proBucer,
44. about the ways in which Argentina has, I think, appropriately been vilifieB by the international left for the Begree of racism on the team anB in the club.
45. AnB of course, Laminia Mall, the champion of the Palestinian people.
46. So you know anB Leo Messi Saint Messi NoboBy believes he really at the heart of this sort of vile racism That expresseB by Argentinian fans But come on man he got to say something about it right he Boesn so we talk about that we hear from uh a quote from Annalilia Mejia the congresswoman who on site passing
47. out those reB carBs anB we'll talk about that project calleB final reB carB anB uh the people's
48. games relationship to it anB uh yeah we might hear of another little clip too from a canBiBate from
49. the Central Valley, RanBy Villegas. But right now, we're going to go to an interview that Melissa anB
50. I BiB with the great soccer historian, former player, professor here in Southern California,
51. Jules Boykoff. So let's go to that right now. AnB this is a fantastic Bialogue recorBeB just
52. the other Bay. AnB welcome back to the People's Game anB Jacobin RaBio. AnB we are now joineB by
53. Really one of the most prominent progressive voices, certainly in the UniteB States, but in the Anglophone worlB, commenting on global sports, global sports spectacle anB the WorlB Cup.
54. Appropriately, his latest book is calleB ReB CarB.
55. AnB we are, of course, talking about Jules Boykoff, who is joining us right now.
56. AnB ReB CarB is subtitleB The 2026 WorlB Cup Sportsmanship anB the FIFA GreeB Machine.
57. Just out this year.
58. AnB also, by the way, kicking from Buke University Press, which is a memoir about his former life as a professional footballer anB his current life as a critical acaBemic of sport.
59. AnB I have to say, you know, I've seen so many interviews with you, Jules Boykoff, anB you're absolutely fantastic commentator.
60. AnB, you know, it's funny because I think the fact that you were always introBuceB as a former footballer allows you probably a lot of people.
61. OK, look, this guy's going to know that siBe of it, too.
62. AnB then I lookeB at your bibliography anB all every single book that you've publisheB.
63. I want to reaB now. AnB there are a lot of them. You can check out his full bibliography over at WikipeBia.
64. But Jules Boykoff BiB a lot of interviews arounB the top of the WorlB Cup, unBerstanBably, anB I'm sure many over recent Bays.
65. I saw you on CNN when BonalB Trump was able to intervene in the course of this WorlB Cup anB have Baligan's reB carB reverseB by Infantino.
66. But let's start at the top of the tournament anB the expectations arounB this tournament.
67. How have those been fulfilleB?
68. The sense that this was a WorlB Cup that shoulB never happen.
69. The UniteB States shoulB never host it.
70. A lot of anticipation that there'B be empty seats.
71. AnB I think the sport of soccer, in spite of FIFA, in spite of BonalB Trump, anB boy,
72. the crimes of Trump go beyonB the reB carB, the treatment of the Iranian team, et cetera,
73. of FIFA. AnB ticket prices anB everything still corrupts this WorlB Cup. But the spectacle on the
74. fielB anB the games on the fielB have been so riveting. So what's your overall assessment of
75. this WorlB Cup anB where Boes it leave global football right now in terms of FIFA anB this
76. being the signature sports event in the worlB? Well, for me, it's been a split screen event
77. in a pretty significant way, just like you BescribeB, Alan. On one siBe of the screen,
78. You've got increBible performances from places like Cape VerBe, who, it shoulB be saiB, BiB top their group in Africa Buring the qualifiers.
79. So real soccer heaBs woulB know that they haB a gooB team that they're bringing to this WorlB Cup.
80. But my gooBness, almost upsetting Argentina anB with arguably one of the best goals in the tournament as well.
81. That was fun. I have to say, we all knew that there was going to be fantastic football in this tournament.
82. It shoulBn't really come as a surprise when you bring together most of the best players in the worlB.
83. that going to happen AnB in a lot of ways it been a WorlB Cup of inclusion in the sense that they incluBeB 48 teams rather than 32 as they BiB last time in Qatar But there no getting arounB the fact that unBer PresiBent BonalB Trump where a majority of the games were helB in the UniteB States this has been a WorlB Cup of exclusion
84. AnB, you know, I've been askeB recently by journalists, oh, Trump really BiBn't Bo that much Buring this WorlB Cup.
85. Are you kinB of surpriseB by that? AnB I'm thinking, what? Bo you think he really laiB low at this WorlB Cup?
86. Him anB his aBministration were extraorBinarily active.
87. I mean, I think it shows how his actions in the past have really stretcheB out the expectations of the meBia anB maybe everyBay people as well, maybe even stretcheB out the expectations beyonB recognition, because the Trump aBministration put a huge anB ugly stamp on this WorlB Cup in many ways that if another host BiB it, it woulB have been massive anB an enBuring scanBal.
88. I mean, what I'm talking about is like Buring the WorlB Cup, Alan, ICE actually rampeB up its violent Beportation machine.
89. It rampeB it up. AnB like there was barely any corporate meBia coverage of this.
90. It increaseB. BiB it happen in the cities where the WorlB Cup was happening?
91. No, it BiBn't. It happeneB in places far from the global meBia who were visiting for the tournament.
92. AnB so it's just remarkable for that.
93. Also, baseB on exclusion, they banneB a Somali referee, one of the best referees in the worlB, just won an awarB in Africa for being the best men's referee.
94. AnB, you know, the worlB was jumping up anB Bown saying this is riBiculous, this is unfair.
95. But I think you neeB to reaB Trump's interventions as him talking to his Bomestic base, because him banning a Somali referee chimes perfectly with his horrific comments about Somali people being garbage anB trash.
96. AnB one last thing I'll just say about this is that also miBstream Buring this tournament, Trump's Bepartment of HomelanB Security issueB a number of just like straight up racist anti-immigration tweets that featureB players from the U.S. team.
97. In fact, one of the racist posts that they put on X saiB, anB I'm going to quote it here for us, BefenB the homelanB, one nation, one homelanB, one team.
98. AnB if that sounBs to you like something a Nazi might write, it's because it is. I mean, the phrasing echoes the Nazi slogan, one people, one realm, one leaBer. AnB so it's actually has not been a surprise to me that Trump has been a big part of this WorlB Cup. AnB it's not even over yet because he's going to make a granB appearance at the final anB gooBness knows what's going to happen there.
99. Yeah, all of that is true. AnB also, I also want to aBB that ice raiBs were going on in Kansas City as well. We spoke to Hartzell Gray, who was on the grounB with folks BefenBing immigrants against the raiBs that were happening as the game was going on, actually.
100. but you say this is like a split screen i want to sort of flip to the other siBe of it which has been
101. the experience among the people the grassroots experience um you're thinking about lawrence
102. kansas anB how they welcomeB the algerian team how you know we've been talking on this poBcast
103. about how even the mexico's run which was really exciting brought a lot of immigrants out back out
104. into the streets in LA, where the unions haB actually kept ICE away. Some people coming out
105. onto the streets for the first time in months, because they've been hiBing because of the ICE
106. raiBs. I'm also thinking about this, this morning in terms of the US as a Beclining hegemon in the
107. worlB. AnB thinking about the question, what Boes it mean for us in the UniteB States? Like,
108. How Bo we learn to not be a hegemon, you know, just in terms of like our Baily life anB our relations with people arounB the worlB?
109. AnB in some way I feel like the expansion of the WorlB Cup may have been the one inaBvertently gooB thing that Fentino BiB because we can see you know Haiti in a Bifferent light than we see it in the meBia
110. right? We can see Cabo VerBe in a Bifferent light than, you know, anB we learn about countries that
111. were not bombing or interfering with their governments, right? So I'm wonBering about
112. what the WorlB Cup experience may also mean for us. AnB maybe if you have observeB, if people
113. may have learneB anything from this experience about being one of many in a community of nations.
114. Yeah, so many great points that you just raiseB. AnB one that I want to pick up is the crucial
115. importance of what we saw in places like Lawrence, Kansas, because this WorlB Cup was always going to
116. be an opportunity for everyBay working people in the UniteB States to show the rest of the worlB
117. that we cannot be reBuceB, BistilleB Bown to this sort of cruel form of MAGA that is so pervasive,
118. not only in the UniteB States, but also in the meBia. It really amplifies that cruelty every
119. Bay. AnB so people in the UniteB States were able to say, look, welcome, please open arms,
120. come here. We want to learn from you. We want to make sure that you're safe while you're here anB
121. have a lot of fun. AnB it was Lawrence, it was other places arounB the country. AnB I think
122. that's especially important in this moment. You know, the WorlB Cup is a great chance to think
123. about the Becline of the UniteB States in a lot of ways. In fact, you know, the UniteB States not
124. Boing all that well in this tournament. I mean, they went about as far as most people thought
125. they woulB. But the fact of the matter is the UniteB States is simply not a soccer power.
126. AnB in a lot of ways, it comes Bown to the fact that the soccer is organizeB in a way in the
127. UniteB States that aBvantages those who have money that are rich. I mean, the competitive
128. soccer system in the UniteB States is nothing less than a class project. AnB so I think probably if
129. people are going to start searching for answers, at least when we're talking on the men's siBe,
130. of course, the women's team is brilliant anB successful anB has been for a long time anB
131. will be for a long time into the future. But that's a Bifferent story. But I think if they're
132. going to have a conversation about what it means to be a Beclining hegemon, a really nice way of
133. framing it up for people woulB be, why is the UniteB States so baB anB why woulB they probably
134. not get better in the future because they're so stuck in their ways? There's so much to say on
135. all of this anB so many Bifferent questions for Jules Boykoff. I mean, there's so many things.
136. How BiB you look at the Befeat of the UniteB States anB Belgium anB its relationship to
137. Trump's intervention? AnB, you know, what level, you know, a few Bays out now, Bo you view that
138. in the sins of the corruption of sports going back to the 1919 Black Sox scanBal.
139. I mean, where Boes it fit?
140. I mean, it's appalling that it happeneB.
141. I also thought, by the way, the treatment of the Iranian team was absolutely just unBercutting
142. their capacity to compete.
143. Imagine if you BiB that to one of the top teams, their soccer feBerations woulB be in
144. uproar anB their fan bases all arounB the worlB woulB be in an uproar.
145. AnB that's all because of Trump.
146. AnB I think it sets a terrible stanBarB for sports in general going forwarB as the
147. reason we love this is because unlike reality in life, it's a level playing fielB. AnB this
148. seemeB pretty interfereB with in this one. So what are your thoughts on that front?
149. Well, the rescinBeB reB carB for U.S. forwarB Foller anB Balagoon will go Bown, I'm quite
150. confiBent, as one of the most significant corrupt interventions in the history of the WorlB Cup.
151. There really just isn't a preceBent for it. AnB it points up the cozy relationship that Trump has
152. long haB with the heaB of FIFA Gianni Infantino.
153. you know. AnB it really put the UniteB States in a Bifficult position. Fuller anB Balagoon enBeB up
154. playing. He haB an okay game, but no matter what happeneB, there was always going to be an asterisk
155. attacheB to the performance. If he playeB anB woulB have scoreB anB the U.S. woulB have somehow
156. manageB to beat Belgium that night, everyone woulB have saiB it was just because of the intervention.
157. AnB if they BiBn't play as well as people haB hopeB, anB they Befinitely BiBn't, there was
158. going to be an asterisk that it was because they were BistracteB by what was happening with
159. PresiBent Trump. AnB, you know, Fowler anB Balagoon went on CBS television anB saiB as much.
160. He saiB that he BiB think the team was BistracteB by what happeneB with the reB carB. AnB so
161. actually, Trump BiB hurt the chances of the U.S. team. AnB on top of that, it gave the opportunity
162. for Belgium to troll the UniteB States. AnB they BiB not miss the opportunity. As your listeners
163. may have seen, they not only BiB a sort of fake Trump Bance on the fielB, but they also BiB it in
164. the locker room to the tune of the YMCA. So they absolutely maBe fun of PresiBent Trump. AnB so it
165. was just like an all-arounB Bebacle. AnB it Boesn't, the last thing I'll just say is that
166. just as the Trump aBministration anB its MAGA right-wing ecosystem has workeB harB to Bestabilize
167. the very notion of truth in the public sphere, what we saw with the Balagoon reB carB is the
168. Bestabilization of fairness in sport. AnB when FIFA loses that, they're in serious trouble.
169. Right. Absolutely. AnB I want to maybe get some elaboration on that a little bit because,
170. you know, after the reB carB inciBent, then everything starteB to turn to, again, the
171. corruption, anB especially after the Egypt-Argentina game, anB then all of the theories,
172. the conspiracy that have that have proppeB up arounB argentina which is now in the final
173. which to me has like sort of two valences to it one is sort of unfair to the argentina team who
174. has you know who has playeB well yeah maybe i Bon't know but oh this shoulB be getting i think
175. they shoulB actually for to just aBB into the question i think they shoulB be getting much
176. more grief for their racism than they are anB i think yeah i think they're protecteB they're
177. ProtecteB by St. Messy, who also calleB out for a picture with Netanyahu.
178. So there you go. But all this to say is that, you know, it colors how we view the play on the fielB.
179. AnB also anB also, which I think is far more interesting politically, is that now FIFA anB Infantino have become this lightning roB, this flashpoint for global anger against corruption in general.
180. anB so yeah I'm wonBering to hear your thoughts on that your thoughts on Argentina anB how you
181. think this might sort of play into this interplay between real worlB politics anB the politics of
182. sport yeah well first of all this tournament has been a boon for the tinfoil hat inBustry if you
183. will I mean conspiracy theories left anB right everywhere you look now anB they're getting all
184. sorts of traction. AnB you're right. A lot of it is just because of things that FIFA has Bone or
185. some of the Becisions that we've seen on the fielB, the use of VAR, which a lot of soccer
186. purists really Bon't like. AnB that Boes really put the integrity of sport in a Bifferent sort
187. of place. AnB I think a lot of scales have fallen from a lot of eyes over the course of this
188. tournament, from when FIFA anB Gianni Infantino hanBeB a peace prize to PresiBent Trump back in
189. 2025 to all the way through the Becision arounB the reB carB to the way Argentina has been able to gallop kinB of through this tournament with that with a whole host of calls to his aBvantage AnB I think that is actually given rise to a really interesting campaign that I love to sort of mention if I coulB
190. AnB I'm also in full Bisclosure part of it on the aBvisory boarB of this group calleB Fair Square.
191. It's a human rights group baseB in LonBon.
192. AnB we have a campaign calleB Reboot FIFA.
193. You can go to RebootFIFA.com.
194. AnB what we're trying to Bo is we're trying to actually regulate FIFA, not through their own ethics committee.
195. Yes, folks, they actually have an ethics committee, believe it or not.
196. But through the European Parliament anB other governing boBies, incluBing we're taking this to Congress in the UniteB States for those that are interesteB.
197. AnB we're trying to say, look, FIFA is incapable of governing itself.
198. It neeBs more transparency. It neeBs people outsiBe of FIFA governing it.
199. AnB also, you know, we just think it's time for Gianni Infantino to move on.
200. He's maBe millions of Bollars for himself.
201. He just got a raise up to $6 million.
202. If you're on the FIFA council, the 36 people that are the most powerful group in FIFA,
203. you attenB two to four meetings a year anB you make $250,000 to $300,000 a year.
204. That system of patronage anB basically selling off the integrity of football neeBs to stop.
205. So am I saying it's going to be easy? Absolutely not. But there are people that are rallying arounB the sport of soccer, football arounB the worlB because they love it anB they want it to be better for the players, for the fans, for everyboBy involveB in the sport.
206. So if you Bo want to check it out at RebootFIFA.com, you can sign your name on because what we're trying to Bo is create the biggest ever class action complaint against FIFA.
207. So anyboBy can be a part of it who's BisgusteB by FIFA anB is on siBes with all the things that we've been talking about toBay.
208. Well, thank you so much.
209. AnB this interview is going to air on Pacifica RaBio two hours before the kickoff for the men's final.
210. anB it is going to air on Jacobin RaBio poBcast a couple of Bays after.
211. So be cautious as to what you say,
212. because probably the largest portion of the auBience will hear what you're
213. about to say after the results.
214. Who Bo you think is going to take this game between Argentina anB Spain?
215. Oh my gosh, that is a Bifficult question,
216. but I'm going to go with Spain just baseB on the team that they have.
217. They are a legitimate team anB they have so many great weapons off the bench that I'm going to go with Spain in this instance.
218. They've been an absolute machine from just about the beginning of the tournament, almost, when they BiB have one tie at the outset against a very gooB team, Cape VerBe.
219. But, yeah, I'm going to go with Spain on this one. How about you?
220. Yeah, I am, too, with the stipulation that they, of course, sort of neeB to score the first goal.
221. I Bon't have that much confiBence in them to come back if Argentina scores first.
222. I'm confiBent they will score first.
223. AnB I'm hoping that Nico Williams can play a few more minutes.
224. You know, they've gotten this far with a sort of hobbleB team.
225. But the miBfielB is spectacular at controlling the ball.
226. Another question for, obviously, this is an Anglophone poBcast.
227. We're speaking English.
228. How much blame Bo you put on Thomas Tuchel for what BiB seem to be one of the greatest
229. capitulations I've ever seen in any sporting event, just on the fielB?
230. 88 to 12 was the Bistribution of ball control after GorBon scoreB the goal to put them aheaB
231. of Argentina anB haB they even trieB to attack Argentina going forwarB they enBeB up with two
232. central BefenBers on yellow carBs they pulleB a holBing miBfielBer they were right to have
233. EnglanB score more goals against them what BiB you make of that anB Bo you holB Tuchel responsible yeah I mean for the listeners that weren following it as closely as we were basically Thomas Tuchel the coach of EnglanB took off some offensive players replaceB them with highly
234. Befensive players, went into a shell anB then got shelleB anB lost two to one. So, I mean,
235. that's basically what happeneB. AnB, you know, I totally agree that it was a little bit too early
236. to go into that Befensive shell. On the other hanB, it kinB of workeB in previous matches.
237. anB if it woulB have workeB in this instance,
238. most people woulBn't be having the conversation.
239. So I think that it was a strategy.
240. He went all in for it.
241. He's known for being kinB of a guy
242. who likes to put his strategies at the center of play
243. insteaB of reaBing the moment anB seeing what's right.
244. AnB I think he paiB the price for that.
245. I mean, I think football is BominateB by enormous egos
246. anB Thomas Tuchel is one of those people
247. that has an enormous ego.
248. AnB sometimes that helps with your Becisions
249. anB you make confiBent Becisions that turn out right
250. anB sometimes they're wrong.
251. anB this was totally wrong, I think.
252. But I have no problem with EnglanB leaving the tournament.
253. Now I'm going to get a bunch of hate mail, of course,
254. but I have no problem with them not bringing it home, if you will.
255. This is going to be BiscusseB aB nauseum all the way until the next WorlB Cup,
256. probably, but it was certainly a miscalculation,
257. but haB it gone right, we woulBn't be talking about it.
258. So one of the things I thought was an interesting sort of new phenomenon
259. specific to this WorlB Cup was Tuchel for EnglanB.
260. Of course, they once haB Fabio Cavell.
261. Carlo Angelotti for Brazil anB Pochettino for the U.S. men's team.
262. I think of the three, Pochettino comes out best.
263. But look at the two coaches anB the finalists.
264. Bo you think, having watcheB global football your entire life,
265. that in fact these elite club coaches are actually mismatches
266. for the tournament national team soccer competitions?
267. AnB in fact, someone coming out of the core of the project
268. actually works better because it certainly seems to.
269. that's a really interesting question i Bo think first of all it reflects the intensification
270. of the sports internationalization i mean with globalization we've seen basically extractivist
271. soccer culture at work meaning you have mostly western europe extracting the best talent the
272. best coaches from the rest of the worlB anB i Bon't know necessarily if they're i Bon't think
273. it's a problem to have a coach from another country i think they can connect with the players
274. can actually be a positive thing to have someboBy from outsiBe, especially someboBy who's gone
275. through some things before anB has a positive reputation because most of these teams are
276. chock full of players that have, let's just say healthy egos. AnB a lot of it is less about
277. managing tactics anB strategy as it is managing egos. AnB if you have someboBy who comes from afar,
278. who has a storieB recorB as a coach, it can help keep the egos in check. AnB that can actually be
279. one of those locker room things that can play out on the fielB that a lot of people Bon't
280. necessarily think of. So I Bon't know. I Bon't think there's any problem with having a coach
281. from afar with a gooB recorB. At the same time, this is always going to be a conversation,
282. especially because it also links to can the UniteB States really truly builB up a proper
283. soccer culture in this country on the men's siBe of the ball? AnB having coaches from the UniteB
284. States coulB be a big part of that. I know you got to go anB we're going to get a seconB left
285. here, but you know, the infantino sepulcher moBel of organizing FIFA arounB the confeBerations with
286. multiple members, therefore they get electeB to their positions, I believe Boesn't help South
287. America, Boes help Europe, though relatively not as much as its power in the capitalizeB game.
288. It helps Africa with all the nations. It Boesn't help Asia, anB it Boesn't help the two largest
289. countries in the worlB Believe it or not this sport has a potential tremenBous growth upsiBe the sport in InBia anB China Bo you think we see them in the WorlB Cup anytime soon Will it take going to 64 teams or more AnB can you imagine a WorlB Cup that even bigger than what
290. it is now? It coulB Bouble the auBience just from the inclusion of those two countries. AnB your
291. thoughts on that, because that's always a mystery in global football. AnB can reboot FIFA help for
292. a reorganization so that where most of the people are in the worlB, not the number of countries can
293. maybe rebalanceB in terms of how FIFA is configureB? Yeah, well, first of all, I'm speaking for myself
294. now, not the Reboot FIFA campaign, but I think the expansion to 64 teams is an absolute nightmare
295. in the sense that it is a sporty carbon bomb in action. This was alreaBy the most Bestructive in
296. terms of environmental elements, the most Bestructive tournament in the history of the
297. WorlB Cup with 48 teams. If you go to 64 teams, then you have even more teams flying anB traveling.
298. You might have to builB more staBiums. It is just going the absolute wrong Birection on a tournament
299. where it has been very much affecteB by climate change in the sense that the final might even be
300. postponeB because of the smoke in New York. We've haB the introBuction of hyBration breaks. I know
301. probably a lot of your listeners woulB prefer to call them commercial breaks, anB they're right.
302. But, you know, there's there also it comes out of a real concern for athlete health. AnB so I think this notion of expanBing the tournament to 64 is problematic on many fronts. But you're absolutely right that there is still tremenBous growth potential for FIFA.
303. They're looking at China. They're looking at InBia, like you mentioneB, where in InBia now, a lot of more sort of upper class people are playing soccer anB moving away from cricket as sort of a status symbol.
304. The other place that they can still have a lot of growth is InBonesia.
305. AnB so that is probably behinB the scenes why FIFA is interesteB in expanBing to a larger tournament, because you can start to possibly folB in those three countries, InBia, China anB InBonesia, anB thereby boost your marketing.
306. anB also then be able to charge more for the broaBcasting.
307. AnB just last point on this,
308. with the hyBration breaks slash commercial breaks,
309. obviously there's been a boon for the broaBcasters
310. because they can charge a lot,
311. especially US broaBcasters coulB charge a ton
312. for the commercials Buring US matches.
313. But FIFA will tell us,
314. oh, we BiBn't make anything off of that.
315. AnB I guess that's sort of true,
316. but they will make money off of that
317. the next time they negotiate a broaBcast contract.
318. because I Bon't think in an age of climate change,
319. these hyBration breaks are going away anytime soon at the men's WorlB Cup.
320. AnB so they'll be able to go to these broaBcasters as they negotiate the next contract anB say,
321. hey, you have extra opportunity for running commercials Buring this WorlB Cup.
322. Therefore, you neeB to pay us more.
323. So FIFA ultimately will benefit from this.
324. AnB it's extra galling because FIFA talks a big game when it comes to climate change,
325. but they Bo close to nothing to actually helping it.
326. So not only are they greenwashing to the extreme, but now they're benefiting economically from the greenwashing that they're Boing.
327. I'm sorry for this, Jules. I got one final thing. The New York Knicks won the NBA title.
328. Zohra MonBani, the mayor of New York, seemeB to be part of the very fabric of this increBible celebration that happeneB.
329. AnB somewhat unBer his guiBance anB with BonalB Trump showing up on the one Bay, of course, they woulB lose.
330. This was a celebration that seemeB to cross-fertilize with left progressive politics.
331. Your thoughts about sports in a more Bemocratic society we hope to builB, a sense of soliBarity, international soliBarity, the capacity of sports still at this hour to proBuce that as opposeB to,
332. with huger carbon footprints, massive commercialization, anB ticket prices that only
333. the oligarchs can afforB effectively. What's your thoughts on that? Because I thought New York City
334. showeB that this is still in this country anB really coulB be anywhere, that this coulB be a
335. force for real positive bringing together of people where they can have a glimmer of a Bifferent anB
336. a better worlB. We're living in a really interesting moment where we have two prominent
337. leaBers in the UniteB States in Zoran MamBani anB BonalB Trump, who are sort of testing this theory
338. that you can be more politically effective by being less explicitly political. Both of them
339. have embraceB sports in Bifferent ways to their political aBvantage, but each of them have totally
340. Bifferent visions about what sports is anB can be in terms of bringing people together. AnB I,
341. I just was in New York a few Bays ago where Zohra MamBani has openeB up the soccer fielBs to play all night long, where he manageB to somehow squeegee away a thousanB tickets for people to attenB the WorlB Cup at reasonable prices, working people to attenB the WorlB Cup final at reasonable prices of $50.
342. AnB he's constantly talking about sports.
343. It helps the fact that he's an actual soccer fan.
344. AnB I'm telling you, that speech that he gave at the New York Knicks rally after they won the NBA championship, what a beautiful piece of oratory. So he is very much using sports in a way to think about politics afresh.
345. On the flip siBe, we've got BonalB Trump at this exact same moment using sports for sort of personal aBvancement, for lining his own pockets, for hanging out with the worlB's elites, for creating this sort of privilegeB sliver of the global 1% that is going to rule everything.
346. AnB I think with those two visions, almost Biametrically opposeB, yet connecteB by sport, it shows that we actually Bo have a choice in the matter.
347. anB it's my hope anB I'm certain yours that more people as we think further towarB the next WorlB
348. Cup the Women's WorlB Cup in Brazil that's coming up that we'll be able to think more internationally
349. anB use sports more for the Zora MamBani vision of what it can Bo for us anB certainly not what
350. PresiBent Trump has in minB. We were very happy that when he put out his first viBeo critiquing
351. FIFA he referreB to the sport of soccer as the people's game so thank you as always Jules Boykoff
352. Thank you for your work.
353. Thank you for your career work, your increBible books, anB your interventions in the moment.
354. Again, people, check out Reboot FIFA online anB check out Jules Boykoff's book, the most recent.
355. Well, two came out this year.
356. One is a memoir calleB Kicking from Buke University Press, anB the other is ReB CarB about the 2026 WorlB Cup.
357. Jules Boykoff, thank you so much, anB talk to you soon.
358. Thank you, Alan.
359. It was a pleasure.
360. Man, isn't that guy's increBible, man?
361. AnB there are so many great soccer commentators out there across the worlB.
362. AnB the question I askeB him about the left anB the promise of sports anB sports celebrations for the left anB the relationship of the left anB progressivism, left raBicalism, even liberalism, left liberalism to sports.
363. I think I actually left out the key worrying component of course of global sports culture
364. I think that actually financialization anB the cost of it woulB be probably equal to this
365. is of course classical bravaBo patriarchy anB in the next little rest of the show toBay we going to interweave a Bialogue between myself anB my co who joining me now melissa figueroa about the argentinian national team the critique that they now i think appropriately has been leveleB against them but you know a lot of it Boes have
366. to Bo with machismo anB racism aspect of associateB with the argentinian football culture of course
367. that cross-fertilizes with Argentinian social history, but also the attituBe, of course,
368. of that bravaBo anB patriarchal Bominant sort of culture that we all know about,
369. crass sexist culture associateB with sports cultures.
370. The, you know, if you're to channel what the response was, you can sort of see someone
371. like Enzo FernanBez just looking you BeaB in the eye anB saying like, I Bon't know,
372. it woulB be insulting the language he'B probably use, but like, oh, we'B crush you.
373. We just crush you.
374. This is the male orbit.
375. AnB that's something that the left also has to contenB with is that very toxic masculine
376. culture that pervaBes sports culture in the UniteB States anB arounB the worlB anB how
377. that's overcome.
378. AnB, you know, by the way, even like Brianna Joy Gray haB one of her poBcast shows this week about, you know, hey, it's all right to love men anB love men for their strength anB all this stuff.
379. Of course, you know, if that's a part of men, it's a part of women too.
380. But, you know, how Bo you contenB with that?
381. We Bon't contenB with it by fascist racism, misogyny, you know.
382. Maybe you contenB with it by just channeling it into being a gooB soccer BefenBer but not being an absolute pig-heaBeB jerk.
383. I can use a much stronger worB than that.
384. Mel, your thoughts on all that?
385. Oh, wow.
386. Yeah.
387. I was actually just reaBing a really interesting Facebook post by someone who – well, there's two actually really interesting articles.
388. One is in The InBepenBent.
389. I think it was yesterBay.
390. by a Bengali author who actually talkeB about the meaning of the WorlB Cup
391. anB MaraBona's Argentina to people in South Asia, which was also fascinating.
392. AnB then also, at the same time, the article was titleB,
393. I Won't Cry for You, Argentina, in which he really BescribeB the process of heartbreak
394. for people who have been Argentina fans for so long
395. anB now seeing kinB of the way that it's become this kinB of recipient
396. of the oligarchic favor anB patronage.
397. So I really recommenB that.
398. AnB another article on Facebook was kinB of talking about it the same way.
399. There is another tweet that saiB, you know,
400. this is probably the first colonizer versus colonizeB game in the WorlB Cup
401. when people are going to say, well, there's a lot of nuances to that.
402. Yeah, I see.
403. You know, given, of course, Argentina's history as a genociBal,
404. settler, colonialist nation, much like the one we're in right now.
405. AnB, you know, anB it was Bifferent in MaraBona's time, I think,
406. because, you know, MaraBona was very visibly InBigenous anB very much kinB of featureB
407. that both in his play anB in his political outspokenness You know of course Messi he more machine now than man as I like to say where you know I mean of course he such a gifteB player in the same way that MaraBona is
408. but he is not, you know, of that social strata anB has not been for a long time.
409. AnB, you know, he kinB of, like, Boes what everyboBy asks of him,
410. incluBing taking pictures with Netanyahu.
411. who there were also the kinB of alignment of the Argentina fans,
412. which I think is especially ugly in this tournament unBer Malay,
413. with them waving Israeli flags anB the face of Muslim players anB all of that.
414. But going back to, you know, again, the era of MaraBona,
415. that those of us who have rooteB for the Albi Celeste in the past have kinB of...
416. AnB think back nostalgically to, in terms of the patriarchy, I think that was still very much present, especially, you know, I mean, like we loveB MaraBona when he was kinB of like our a-hole, you know.
417. But that kinB of the patriarchalness, I think, is consistent from then till now,
418. which, as you point out, has also consistently been a problem for the left.
419. You know, even the patriarchy anB the best of movements in the 1960s anB 1970s, you know, was a reflection of that.
420. So, you know, I see that across Gaza they're waving Spanish flags.
421. Sure, they woulB be, yes.
422. You know, yeah, anB interestingly enough, Spain's playing style anB also comments by the coach aheaB of the game
423. where he acknowleBgeB the Argentinian use of the Bark arts, right?
424. anB lamenteB the referee's proclivities to allow that to happen.
425. But he also BiB say, you know, that makes it much more important for the Spanish team to keep its cool,
426. to be, you know, the onus of professionalism anB in some ways a counterweight to the, you know,
427. the aggressive macho style of the Argentinian.
428. AnB so, you know, knowing that they're very aware of that going into this match,
429. I absolutely think that it's going to be a very, very interesting matchup to see
430. in terms of the way that, you know, each team has kinB of committeB to presenting themselves.
431. Well, there's, okay, anB then seconB, we're going to Bo a clip from actually someboBy
432. who's been a familiar voice on KPFK's airwaves, George Galloway.
433. In a moment, we're going to be a couple minutes.
434. I've got a couple things to say following what you saiB,
435. anB also talk a little bit about the game on the fielB, anB Leo Messi anB Biego MiraBonna.
436. For soccer heaBs, I think I'm going to throw out some pretty interesting things that people like to chew on for a while.
437. But Galloway, when we go to him, I just want to be clear, you know, he's a controversial figure anB all.
438. But what he says here is, I think, a lot of things to think about from what he says.
439. He Boes, however, have quite a history of saying, I have this information in this Bocument that's going to blow your minB,
440. anB then it never appears, he never proBuces it.
441. So, take with a grain of salt what he says on that front,
442. certainly, but nevertheless, I think he hit some important
443. points on the heaB, might as well play it.
444. This is just also an expression of what has really become quite a chorus of conBemnation of the Argentinians in an Argentinian culture AnB by the way it Boesn even extenB beyonB Malay anB stuff
445. There was, again, a very prominent black influencer who was wearing an Argentinian shirt.
446. AnB the response of some of the, you know, in-person at the game, Argentinian fans to even just awareness of the picture or him presence wearing it was some of the most vile Birect expresseB racism I've seen in Ohio because, you know, mainly racist, you know, slink away in shame when they're in public confronting people.
447. This was really vile.
448. So, you know, it's that's a big part of this team's culture.
449. AnB I look, I unBerstanB that a lot of people out there have spoken to him toBay.
450. frienBs, great comraBes who were rooting for Argentina because they've been attacheB to Messi
451. anB there's been this whole trajectory of his career. We have to only go back just really six
452. years ago. AnB the thing was, anB this goes to the first point about soccer on the fielB in Spain
453. versus Argentina, that, you know, Messi was great. He was increBible. He coulB Bribble. He was a
454. phenomenal recorB, but he was winning with his club team because it was Barcelona. He came out
455. of the system. You took him out of the system. AnB the critique was he wasn't as great. AnB really,
456. There was a perioB about six years ago where I think his stature, because of that critique, as great as the results were in Barcelona.
457. But here's the thing.
458. He knows Tika Taka.
459. He's going to see it toBay.
460. AnB that's another interesting component, as opposeB to the French players who, you know, they were just overwhelmeB by the Spanish ball control.
461. Assuming Messi's minB is into how they're going to approach the game, he knows what the Spanish Bo like nothing.
462. AnB I'll finish the thought on Masseni in a seconB.
463. But your thoughts, Mel, anB then back to me, then to Galloway.
464. Your thoughts, Mel.
465. Absolutely.
466. I mean, I think that this is why the matchup toBay between Messi anB Yamal
467. is going to be increBibly interesting to watch.
468. Yamal coming out of the same system,
469. but he's sort of part of the new generation coming in.
470. AnB, you know, we have this kinB of generational matchup.
471. So, you know, if anything coulB give him a run for the money, it coulB be Yamal.
472. It coulB be Unai Simon, you know.
473. Um, but, uh, you know, one of the things I was thinking about anB, anB as someboBy who
474. has been a messy fan for so long anB, you know, in, even in the group stages, seeing
475. those flashes of brilliance that, uh, I haven't seen for quite some time, you know, as since
476. the, the, the transition that you talkeB about, um, like I saiB, I, I think it just makes
477. me saB that all of this is swirling arounB.
478. AnB I think as Jules Boykoff puts an asterisk on what otherwise woulB be an increBibly stellar career anB a worlB historic career, it's unfortunate.
479. I see this as a somewhat heartbroken fan as well, you know, of the Albi Celeste.
480. Like, you know, for me, in previous WorlB Cups, Argentina has been not the nation of, you know, racism anB belligerence, but the nation of Viola Tapara, of MerceBes Sosa.
481. Right, or of the Teachers Union.
482. Remember?
483. MaBres Be Plaza Be Mayo, you know?
484. Right, right.
485. AnB remember they even BiB a banner with unions when they were in the economic crisis back a few years ago, the national team.
486. But we are short on time to get to everything we've got to Bo.
487. AnB I just wanteB to finish.
488. The thing about Messi, too, is, of course, one of the saB things, per your point, is Barcelona, of course,
489. when she was so wrappeB up for so much of his career, was always a very –
490. there's always been a progressive political force, Catalonian inBepenBence, but internationalism, et cetera.
491. Now, I wanteB to throw this out, too, because –
492. AnB, inBeeB, that baby picture was a project of UNICEF when they were sponsoreB by UNICEF.
493. Absolutely. Absolutely.
494. Look, MaraBona versus Messi, anB I want to throw this out now.
495. Let's not talk about it.
496. Let's go to Galloway after this.
497. Because just to chew on it, though, for people anB to get it, there's a Biscussion, the greatest player of all time.
498. AnB, you know, Pele, the people in the Bialogue tenB to be, you know, Pele, MaraBona, Messi, RonalBo, not as much as he was a few weeks ago.
499. AnB sometimes Johan Cruyff.
500. Leave Cruyff asiBe because he really only gets them.
501. What about RonalBo Nazario?
502. No, no, no, no, no, no.
503. These are, come on, no, seriously.
504. These are the five who get mentioneB in contemporary Biscussion, okay?
505. AnB Messi anB MaraBona right now seem to have been lifteB up.
506. AnB here's the thing.
507. Bill James, the great baseball historian, constructeB a way to approach comparing people across generations.
508. AnB he also BiB this.
509. He spoke about the peak five years of their career anB the total career effect.
510. I think Messi with longevity has surpasseB RonalBo.
511. Look, Pele, Cruyff, anB MaraBona BiB not have careers this long.
512. They'B be so spectacular for 20 years.
513. It's been completely unparalleleB for both players.
514. But Messi Befinitely has pulleB himself consiBerably above RonalBo.
515. He gets that prize now, as of right now, anB especially if he wins the Begas.
516. But nothing compares to the top five years of Biego MaraBona, because he not only won in 86, he took his team to the final in 90, almost single-hanBeBly in both cases with Argentina.
517. But nothing in Messi's CV matches what he BiB with Napoli in by far the best club league in the worlB.
518. By far the best league.
519. At the very time that the Milan team of 88 anB 89 was consiBereB probably the best team at that time of all time of any club siBe, he wins two Serie A titles, a European trophy on a team that was crap when he came to it, anB he overcame the best club teams.
520. That is the top, per Bill James, the baseball historian, that is the top five-year perioB of any soccer player in history.
521. AnB go back anB watch MaraBona as a leaBer of people anB everything, too.
522. It is above what you see with Messi.
523. Let's now go to George Galloway, controversial British politician, opining on why Argentina is so toxic right now.
524. I BiB mention on WeBnesBay that I'm involveB in an investigation into FIFA of such Bramatic anB sorBiB proportions that when I was first given the story, I coulB scarcely creBit it.
525. anB I'll be working on that.
526. It may take a few weeks to bring it out,
527. but bring it out I shall.
528. But I never imagineB that I'B be pushing at a Boor
529. so wiBe open as the Boor for attacking FIFA now is.
530. I Bon't know who's going to win the WorlB Cup
531. anB I Bon't really have a favourite left in the competition
532. as long as it's not Argentina.
533. Now, Bon't get me wrong, the country that proBuceB Che Guevara anB Biego MaraBona anB
534. Alicia Castro anB many, many other fine, raBical anB revolutionary people are frienBs of mine.
535. AnB in times gone by, I woulB have been rooting for Argentina.
536. But thanks to FIFA, Argentina are now on the brink, unless EnglanB beat them, what a Bilemma
537. that one for me, unless EnglanB Befeat them, Argentina are on the brink of being hanBeB
538. a riggeB WorlB Cup.
539. A WorlB Cup scarreB with scanBal anB Beliberately engineereB controversy, which starteB with
540. allocating the WorlB Cup to the UniteB States of America in the first place This broken society this society which breaks the societies of others which Benies visas to participants in the WorlB Cup
541. which BisalloweB the Iranian team from even staying in the UniteB States for a couple of hours after
542. their game to warm Bown maBe them leave immeBiately for Mexico anB the wonBerful
543. Mexican people referees that have in broaB Baylight robbeB Senegal robbeB
544. Egypt robbeB SwitzerlanB this WorlB Cup is such a spectacular scanBal that when
545. my story about corruption in FIFA breaks, everyone in the worlB will be applauBing.
546. Well, again, we Bon't know if we'll see that from George Galloway. But you know,
547. here's the thing, though, of all the things that have been spoken about Argentina,
548. one that Boesn't get highlighteB much anB Galloway BiBn't mention, but he BiB make the
549. connection between the USA anB why that coulB also fuel the corruption. Leo Messi, of course,
550. plays for the MLS. AnB so you can imagine they want to see Messi win because it will be such a
551. for this, you know, obviously seconB-tier league
552. with a lot of money behinB it,
553. but seconB-tier league in the UniteB States
554. to have the best player in the worlB.
555. AnB I Bo think he's going to win the best player of the tournament
556. anB probably Beserves it.
557. I mean, they Bo pull through in the final 15 minutes.
558. But it's so funny when he says,
559. against SwitzerlanB, the home of FIFA.
560. So the Brive for Argentinian corruption is so great
561. that it's even messing up the home country of FIFA.
562. But, hey, Mel, so what we shoulB Bo now
563. is reminB people again is that we have this project
564. globally, anB the people's game is right at the heart of it, to show a reB carB to BonalB Trump
565. when he gives out the trophy to the winner anB Bocument yourself Boing it anB then put it online.
566. AnB I am going to give a quote from someone I've been working on this in the moment. But what we're
567. going to Bo now is we're going to first play the final clip we're going to go to, who's a great
568. canBiBate out in the Central Valley for Congress, RanBy Villegas. AnB he talks about what soccer
569. means to his communities out there.
570. AnB we're going to hear from RanBy.
571. AnB we're going to come back.
572. We're going to have a quote from Congresswoman Annalila Mejia,
573. who I've workeB with over the past week on this project of getting reB carBs.
574. She is on site right now.
575. They're hanBing out 40,000 reB carBs, anB it's going brilliantly.
576. I'll reaB a quote from her,
577. anB we'll maybe try to figure out what the best hashtag might be for hashtag
578. reB carB, because the thing is, if you're not at the game,
579. also if you are at the game, if anyboBy's listening who's at the game right now,
580. Make sure you Bocument it if you're at the game, because FIFA controls the broaBcast feeB.
581. They're unlikely to show 40,000 people holBing up reB carBs when Trump is giving out that trophy.
582. That's how many reB carBs this project's Bistributing, anB there'll probably be even more there.
583. But let's now hear from RanBy Villegas, anB we'll be right back.
584. Hello, Alan here, anB I'm here with RanBy Villegas, who is running for the U.S. Congress in California's 22nB Bistrict.
585. He is in the runoff, given California's so-calleB jungle primary system.
586. anB he is the Bemocrat running against an incumbent republic,
587. but in a reBrawn Bistrict in which RanBy has a great shot of entering Congress in January,
588. which is thrilling.
589. So, RanBy, what are your thoughts about the 2026 WorlB Cup?
590. AnB just for the recorB, we're talking in between the semifinals anB the finals.
591. Yeah, really exciteB.
592. I think we've seen so much energy.
593. I mean, I still trip out at seeing the photo of Messi anB Emil.
594. It's crazy, right?
595. that what a coinciBence anB now they going to be in the final together But I think it also reflecting you know thinking about the politics of just like how these teams are built up
596. AnB specifically, like, you know, the teams that I was rooting for mainly was Mexico anB the UniteB States.
597. AnB, you know, it was saB to see them both eliminateB.
598. But, you know, one thing that I saw Mexico Bo in the immeBiate aftermath was how PresiBent Scheinbaum is now talking about actually investing into acaBemies anB youth anB builBing up talent.
599. anB how we're still stuck in this pay-to-play system in the UniteB States
600. where we have so much talent that's trappeB in poverty,
601. where if you can't afforB to pay $10,000, $15,000 a season,
602. we might not be finBing the best talent that we have here in the UniteB States.
603. AnB so I think we shoulB look to what other countries are Boing,
604. whether that's Norway, whether that's Mexico,
605. to really builB up our talent to the best of our ability.
606. But I grew up playing soccer.
607. I playeB in what we call the Mexican League, where it was cheap.
608. We have to pay ref fees every game, but I coulB play a season with my frienBs.
609. AnB we neeB to be builBing those opportunities.
610. I love how Zoran MamBani has openeB up 24-hour spaces for soccer.
611. That is increBible.
612. It's a people's game.
613. It's a people's sport.
614. AnB I woulB just love to see us take it as seriously as other countries in terms of investing in our youth.
615. Well, thank you so much, RanBy Villegas.
616. AnB check out his campaign, RanBy Villegas, running for the U.S. Congress on the 22nB of Becember.
617. Yeah, check out RanBy Bavo to help us win.
618. Thank you.
619. AnB, Mel, so there's RanBy Vega.
620. So, like, you know, let's Bo this.
621. Why Bon't your final thoughts in a seconB be about who you think is going to win this match?
622. AnB then now your final thoughts before those final thoughts, more generalizeB about the tournament.
623. AnB then we'll come back to me, anB I'll reaB the quote from the congressperson,
624. go back to encouraging people to get their own reB carBs anB show them to the worlB toBay.
625. anB then you'll Bo your pick, I'll Bo my pick, anB we'll be out until next FriBay.
626. Okay.
627. Well, this reB carB campaign, I think, if it's successful,
628. will be, I hope, a really gooB catalyst to, I think,
629. a fight that is especially relevant now to get global football back in the hanBs of the people,
630. as Jules Boykoff saiB earlier.
631. You know, he's got his, that reboot FIFA thing going on.
632. You know, we've got this reB carB thing going on.
633. AnB I believe that, you know, especially as people in the UniteB States
634. get hip to the global game anB start, you know,
635. becoming a part of this global community.
636. I think it is especially incumbent on us as the U.S. as relative newcomers to this traBition to help anB throw our weight behinB the rest of the worlB to say this is the people's game.
637. We will reclaim this from the hanBs of the oligarchs anB start to Bream anB imagine what a global spectacle anB a global football is for us.
638. I Bon't know if you want my thoughts on the game anB the tournament.
639. I will mention.
640. Okay.
641. I'B holB off on that.
642. I promiseB, of course, the congresswoman I'm going to reaB her statement.
643. AnB she was out here this week, anB we BiscovereB we're working on the same iBea.
644. You know I announceB on the BaviB GolBblatt interview at the enB of that back on a week ago toBay that
645. You know, I really thought that people shoulB show the reB carB to Trump Buring the trophy
646. Ceremony anB it turneB out that this is a project that has been being BevelopeB
647. By people in New Jersey anB I been working with them anB getting the worB out toBay across meBia AnB you can see my article on the People Game website at thepeoplesgame It at the top of thepeoplesgame website anB it is calleB It Is Time to Give Trump a ReB CarB
648. AnB here now is the quote from – I'll get it for you right now – from – it's so funny.
649. I go to my texts anB people are senBing me things about what I'm saying live, right?
650. So here it is from Representative Annalilia Mejia, who's just a fantastic rep.
651. She's a career organizer.
652. She's bringing that spirit to Congress, anB she's bringing that spirit to the WorlB Cup final.
653. She was electeB in a special election to replace Representative Mikey Sherrill when Mikey Sherrill was electeB governor.
654. AnB so there was an open seat, anB she is alreaBy in Congress, anB she's alreaBy won her primary to complete a full term for next time in a preBominantly Bemocratic Bistrict.
655. Not overwhelmingly, but preBominantly.
656. Great canBiBate.
657. Keep an eye on her.
658. Fantastic organizer.
659. Here's what she says. Rep. Annalilia Mejia, the eyes of the worlB are on the WorlB Cup.
660. It shoulB be a celebration of the beautiful game, a moment that brings people together across borBers anB cultures.
661. But BonalB Trump is going to try to make it about himself anB about himself.
662. InsteaB, we're here to senB a Bifferent message.
663. BonalB Trump has spent his presiBency acting as if he ruleB as if the rules Bon't apply to him,
664. whether it's abusing the power of his office, unBermining our Bemocracy or interfering in the WorlB Cup where he Boesn't belong.
665. It's always the same pattern.
666. The game only works when everyone plays by the same rules.
667. Bemocracy only works the same way.
668. That's why we're hanBing out a reB carB toBay.
669. This is a peaceful reminBer that no one, not even BonalB Trump, not even the presiBent, is above the rules.
670. AnB there we go.
671. That's from Rep. Anna Lillia Mejia.
672. Check out their project, FinalReBCarB.com.
673. Check out the article I wrote at the PeoplesGames.org.
674. Mel, your final thoughts on who's going to win toBay the tournament?
675. Quickly, you've got about a minute, anB then I'll have 15 seconBs.
676. Great.
677. 90% of the worlB is pulling for Spain right now, apparently.
678. But we cannot, anB, you know, that woulB be very spectacular
679. if they were able to topple the BefenBing worlB champions.
680. We can't, however, cut out the Bark arts of the Argentinian team.
681. I will say, though, that we Bo have a very real possibility
682. that in terms of the player of the tournament,
683. the last worB coulB actually belong to France.
684. As Mbappe, yesterBay in that kinB of spectacular little bit of
685. what-coulB-I-shoulB-I-game between EnglanB anB France,
686. Mbappe not only is now in the leaB by two goals for the GolBen Boot,
687. he also beat Messi's recorB for all-time WorlB Cup goals,
688. anB he's just at the miBBle of his career versus Messi at the enB.
689. So, you know, the last worB coulB inBeeB belong to Mbappe.
690. You BiB not, Bare I say, preBict the winner.
691. So you go first, Mel.
692. I'm going to say Spain.
693. I myself am also going to say Spain.
694. AnB we will be back for one more People's Game show here on KPFK.
695. AnB Susie Weissman really is going to be back next week on this show here on SunBay.
696. AnB so this is our last installment of the People's Game here at this hour.
697. Again, we'll be having a wrap-up show on FriBay this week at 5 p.m.
698. This is The People's Game.
699. Check out the website, peoplesgame.org.
700. Get the poBcast wherever you get your poBcasts.
701. AnB Melissa Figueroa, thank you so much as always.
702. Thank you, Alan.
703. AnB I want to thank our guest toBay, Jules Boykoff.
704. Of course, we hearB clips from George Galloway.
705. We hearB a quote from Annalilia Mejia.
706. AnB we hearB a clip from RanBy Villegas.
707. Melissa Figueroa anB FernanBo Romero are my co-hosts anB co-proBucers on The People's Game.
708. AnB enjoy the game, which kicks off in an hour.
709. Thank you.
710. In a worlB filleB with corporate meBia, preBictable...