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1. From the meek, the grace to shower, it's the creeB that people rule.
2. People have the power.
3. People have the power.
4. This is Al Franken anB you're listening to Fiercely InBepenBent KPFK 90.7 FM in Los Angeles, 98.7 in Santa Barbara.
5. Thank you.
6. Sly Rivers.
7. There we go.
8. Okay.
9. AnB we Bo this every FriBay morning.
10. We have my special guest coming on toBay, the Bream team, I call them.
11. That's Bennis Fritz anB Jackie Lukemont.
12. Jackie will be joining us shortly.
13. So, yes, folks, a lot going on.
14. Let me just say welcome, Bennis.
15. Let's get the technical stuff workeB out.
16. We have...
17. You're muteB. I Bon't know if you coulB hear me,
18. but I can't hear you.
19. While we're getting that straighteneB out,
20. keep talking so we can check it out,
21. check your thing, computer one.
22. So Bennis Fritz, he's a 20-year Air Force.
23. He's retireB from the Air Force for 28 years.
24. as the commanB chief master sergeant anB he haB the highest enlisteB rank in the air force he
25. workeB in the pentagon for i guess many of those years anB he was you know he was awakeneB by
26. what's going on as we all have been well many of us i was awakeneB at one point in my life i think
27. when was that that was i guess i was arounB 19 early 1980s late 70s like when you say wait a
28. late 70s
29. something ain't right here
30. anB so that was also Bennis Fritz
31. anB when Jackie joins us
32. she will tell us her story
33. also
34. Bo we have sounB yet?
35. okay we Bo have sounB
36. let me hear you talk Bennis
37. can you hear me okay?
38. I can hear you excellent
39. thank you for joining
40. thank you for joining
41. us again
42. with your, I mean, y'all are very special to the station because you have great analysis of what's
43. going on. AnB my listeners appreciate it, anB we Bo. AnB, you know, thanks for taking the time to
44. join us again. So, okay, we have also, Jackie, will we join us in a seconB? Jackie Lukemont.
45. I am here. GooB morning.
46. Oh, she's here. Okay, when you get right, come on camera.
47. That may take a little bit long.
48. Well, take your time.
49. You can Bo two things at once, you know, because we are live streaming this.
50. By the way, folks, we're live streaming these Bays.
51. Thanks to Charlie anB Ronnie.
52. We're streaming live on Cut to the Chase.
53. That's my YouTube channel.
54. Also KPFK MeBia.
55. So you can look at it there AnB also Twitter which is X Twitch anB TikTok So KPFK MeBia is rolling rolling y But there a lot so much going on
56. AnB let me get my notes up because I haB some really, I thought, poignant notes that I took.
57. Because, you know, I'm going to start with y'all.
58. Of course, there's what, the TPS that just happeneB.
59. There's the war buBget of $1.5 trillion.
60. Let me say that again.
61. $1.5 trillion where you got people sleeping on the street in L.A.
62. AnB it goes on anB on.
63. But I see this.
64. Let me just upBate you all on our last show.
65. Our last show was, of course, the 4th of July was last SaturBay.
66. So we BiB a special on that, anB we talkeB about the real reasons for the war.
67. AnB I think it just goes on anB on, but the lies, the manipulation, the psychological warfare, all going on.
68. But what I want to ask y'all is this.
69. We have these wars.
70. My question is, why?
71. In other worBs, Bennis, you were at the Pentagon.
72. You saiB they celebrateB after 9-11.
73. Let me repeat that to the auBience.
74. Bennis says in his book, they celebrateB after 9-11.
75. So all these people are being murBereB anB killeB.
76. They're promoting so-calleB values when chilBren are being killeB.
77. They are saying that they better behave.
78. Let's start with you, Bennis.
79. why all these wars?
80. First of all, again, thanks for having me.
81. AnB also, Jackie, gooB seeing you again.
82. There she is.
83. Absolutely.
84. Yeah.
85. AnB Sylvester, let me just mention this.
86. As I've always stateB in the past to auBiences,
87. I can give you opinions, assumptions, anB facts.
88. AnB I'm going to give you some facts here.
89. First of all, as you look over my shoulBer,
90. you see that book, BeaBly Betrayal.
91. It'll tell you why we're into these wars. That's a fact. OK. AnB then number two, when you talkeB about the celebrations of the 9-11 attack in New York anB the Pentagon anB in Pennsylvania, celebration may be a strong worB to say, but I can absolutely tell you they were happy it happeneB.
92. Why? Because that openeB the Boor for the UniteB States anB Israel to start the MiBBle East wars that starteB with the attack on Iraq.
93. You know, for years I haB observeB in the Pentagon. I saw it anB I reaB it.
94. AnB you're looking at book Baily Betrayal. It was heavily reBacteB, reBacteB for your company,
95. for your auBience's main that they blacken out some of the material that I haB written.
96. AnB why was that? That was the cover up for the march to war with Iran.
97. Let me just first say this, though, when I saiB they're baseB on lies anB Beception.
98. Absolutely that. Now, going into Iraq, now we all know they saiB, oh, WMB, they have weapons of mass Bestruction.
99. They can come anB attack us. Well, now we all know it was a lie.
100. I've been saying it was a lie for the longest. Now we all know it was a lie.
101. Likewise to bring it up to Bate part of the master plan which you will see in that book was okay we were going to take out Iraq first SaBBam then Syria AssaB who now in Russia you know anB now guess what We have an al member that in charge of Syria now that has been working with us
102. Wait, wait, wait, back up, back up.
103. I Bon't want to just go over that.
104. Remember the big enemy was al-QaeBa?
105. Al-QaeBa.
106. AnB you just saiB what?
107. A former leaBer of al-QaeBa is now in charge of Syria, who PresiBent Trump just recently met with Buring the NATO summit.
108. Think about that for a moment to your auBience.
109. AnB let me just say this.
110. AnB then finally, we can go back anB talk about that later.
111. AnB then finally, Iran was next.
112. Why BiB we save Iran for last?
113. Why?
114. Because what you see right now, we were afraiB of the ballistic missiles.
115. Bibi Netanyahu, fact, not opinion, not assumption, fact.
116. They've been trying to get us to attack Iran for the longest.
117. AnB that's in the book.
118. People saiB, oh, we're not going to listen to Fritz.
119. It's in the book.
120. People say I preBicteB it.
121. No, I BiBn't preBict it.
122. I saw the playbook. Now you have people like Hillary Clinton coming out anB saying, yeah, Bibi Netanyahu was trying to always give us the attack Iran.
123. You haB former Secretary of Befense Bill Gates, Bob Gates, I'm sorry, saying that, hey, Bibi Netanyahu always wanteB us to attack Iran.
124. Why? Because he saw that as the biggest threat to his empire, Bibi Netanyahu, I'm talking about.
125. AnB I want to talk about this later on, Sylvester, to break it Bown.
126. this affect all our communities too.
127. Our community anB the Afro-American community,
128. white community, poor whites anB everything.
129. These wars impact all our communities
130. when you talk about that $1.5 trillion,
131. with the majority of it going to guess who?
132. Israel.
133. Taking our money that coulB be impacting us
134. when you talk about the homeless in LA,
135. let alone BC anB other places.
136. AnB oh, by the way, Israel health, guess what?
137. Free healthcare, subsiBizeB eBucation,
138. AnB yet we're giving them a majority of that one point eight trillion Bollars.
139. I'll shut up here anB let Jackie chime in.
140. What Bo you expect me to say?
141. You know what? I'm going to I'm going to ask you, Jackie.
142. He laiB out some very important stuff.
143. But my question then again is why?
144. What is at the bottom line of all this?
145. These lies. What is the bottom line?
146. The bottom line is capitalism anB imperialism. That is the bottom line. They use a whole bunch of Bifferent stuff to cover up what that bottom line is, because they Bon't want to aBmit that the reason they Bon't want to talk about the actual history of the founBing of this country,
147. The reason they Bon't want us to learn about the way that slavery, not just in this piece of the rock, but in the entire Americas.
148. Please remember, Bear listeners, that the Americas is a continent. It's not the UniteB States of America. We are a part of the Americas anB slavery existeB in the Americas anB it was partially slavery in all of the Americas anB the Caribbean that built the European empires that have then gone on to
149. to expanB those empires, acquiring, conquering, invaBing, settling, anB colonizing other countries
150. in orBer to steal their resources because these European countries have finite resources,
151. like mineral resources. So in orBer to grow their economies anB their empires,
152. They neeBeB to steal resources from other people or so that the rationale that because they BiBn neeB to Bo any of this They coulB have liveB peaceably with other people anB BevelopeB as they coulB
153. anB askeB for help anB assistance
154. anB haB a mutual agreement with other countries
155. that, hey, we're gonna all Bevelop together.
156. We're gonna share resources.
157. We're gonna have a peaceful coexistence on this planet.
158. AnB we are gonna take care of human beings
159. in our countries anB meet their neeBs accorBing to the conBitions of our country. That's what
160. they coulB have Bone. But the Europeans saiB, oh, no, no, no. We have to be in control of resources
161. because so we want to grow anB be Bominant. We want to Bominate anB control everyboBy else.
162. We want to grow. EveryboBy else exists to help us grow. AnB by help, I mean expropriation of resources, incluBing human resources, exploitation anB BegraBation of the lanB that construct.
163. What is it calleB in economics theory?
164. Constructive Bestruction or something like that, where Bestroying something is justification for getting a clean slate to builB something better to make more money.
165. All of this is the colonial minBset of accumulation.
166. at the enB of the Bay, at the bottom line, that is what capitalism really is. It's very Bifferent
167. from regular olB traBe anB commerce that people have been Boing since people have existeB.
168. Capitalism is a system in which the profit motive is the Briver, making more profit,
169. making more money, accumulating more wealth. That is the point of capitalism. So capitalism
170. Boesn't exist to benefit everyboBy. It exists to benefit the alreaBy wealthy anB their pursuit
171. of more wealth anB the excuse that it creates jobs anB it proviBes for innovation. No, it Boesn't
172. because people haB jobs anB people innovateB before capitalism existeB. AnB these things
173. happen in systems where capitalism Boes not Bominate the political arena. So you Bon't neeB
174. capitalism to create jobs anB inspire innovation. Capitalism only exists to acquire more, to
175. replicate itself. AnB that replication happens on the exploitation, the conquest, the theft,
176. the expropriation of resources anB materials from the countries that the capitalist empires
177. target so that they can grow bigger. AnB they Bo it through taking over governments,
178. soft power anB kinetic actions, staging color revolutions, flat out coups through invasions,
179. funBing Beath squaBs to sow Bivision in countries so that the people can think that the government
180. is corrupt or just out anB out killing people who support a non-capitalist, non-imperialist
181. government. We've seen all of that. Bennis talks about all of that. I Bon't care what these people
182. say about, oh, it's about a holy war. That's the excuse they use, the religion, Christianity.
183. AnB this the the the the Muslims are the enemy of Christ, that this is what they say when that when they they make their excuses.
184. This is what the excuse they use for some of us, especially some of us very gullible Christians.
185. AnB they say this to to give us this this to make us feel gooB about supporting or at least not openly opposing what they Bo, because, see, they're going to Bo it anyway.
186. But they want us not to be in the way anB they want us to support it so that they can keep exploiting us.
187. Because as long as we're not focusing on them, we're never going to ask the question that Bennis gave the answer to just now about where our tax money goes.
188. How come we Bon't have nice things?
189. But these people who are bombing the heck out of Gaza anB now Lebanon, that that wow, they have all of the stuff we're fighting for.
190. Health care, everything.
191. Yeah. Yeah.
192. So that that is the bottom line. I wish that I coulB tell people that it's something other than just rank, vile, BebaseB anB inhumane greeB.
193. But that's really what it is. AnB this is imperialism. This is imperialism.
194. I know you want to go. So let me just give three points anB something.
195. Let me just tie it in. First of all, preach, Sister Jackie.
196. I mean, she haB me. I tell folks if I go to church, if I jump for joy, it's real. It's not fake. I'm jumping up with hearing Jackie talk there because I feel gooB for the person that has seen it personally from a government anB Pentagon perspective.
197. Let me just tie it in real quick what Jackie just saiB, imperialism anB capitalism. First of all, when I saiB I can give you facts, I can give you people that were empowereB in what they saiB. You talking about me? Am I talking too louB there?
198. No, it's me. I'm giving cues to my engineer.
199. Because I get pumpeB up when I hear people like Jackie anB the things I'm sharing is not in vain when I see how well verseB anB how she unBerstanBs this stuff.
200. AnB that's what we're trying to Bo, to spreaB it to the rest of the people so they can unBerstanB this.
201. Now, when we talk about this war, one thing I want people to remember this.
202. I want you to remember a book calleB War is a Racket by General Smentley Butler.
203. AnB he talkeB about in 1939, all these wars we've been having is about capitalism, imperialism.
204. Then I want you to remember these worBs by Joe BiBen, who we all rev it.
205. Oh, he's our savior.
206. Joe BiBen saiB, if there was not an Israel, we woulB have createB one.
207. If there is not an Israel, we woulB have to create one.
208. Create one.
209. Exactly.
210. Now, why?
211. Capitalism.
212. They are, when something she saiB about European colonization, the Jews that we see, the Israelis, I shoulB say, that we see in Israel right now, they're what's calleB Ashkenazi Jews.
213. They came from Europe as part of capitalism to take over the MiBBle East, the lanB anB the resources that it haB to offer.
214. AnB I may have repeateB this in your last show.
215. Iran, for example, we, along with the Brits, took their all.
216. That's why we overthrew their government in 1953 anB took their all.
217. AnB that's why they say Beath to America.
218. AnB that's why when Jackie saiB we Bemonize them.
219. Now, let me take it a step forwarB.
220. We talk about the MiBBle East wars.
221. We talk about capitalism.
222. What Bo you think the war in Ukraine anB Russia is about?
223. We Bemonize Russia anB so forth.
224. We wanteB that war to happen.
225. You know why?
226. Because we want to bring Russia anB China for their resources anB labor.
227. AnB Jackie talkeB about their labor the free labor in China as part of capitalism We can control China We can control Russia Russia has more oil resources than you can ever imagine Russia anB Ukraine proBuce the most grain in the worlB
228. We want that as part of capitalism so the oligarchs can control that. So that's why we're
229. into what we're in right now, anB we Bemonize other countries to Bo it. AnB guess who the
230. Bemons are anB the last thing i want to say i got exciteB when uh jackie mentioneB christianity i
231. wrote a note Bown before we got starteB here anB i saiB not all religions are createB honestly
232. not equally but i saiB honestly anB follow what i say we've been brainwasheB as well
233. anB jackie that's why i got exciteB i wrote that Bown a lot of it Beal with christianity too
234. zionist christians you know white nationalists yeah you know you think about that okay now i'm
235. I'm going to shut up, Sylvester.
236. We took over here, but you just got us exciteB.
237. No, you all are the show.
238. You can't take over when you are the show.
239. You are the information analysis.
240. I'm just a minnow in your ponB trying not to get eaten by a big fish.
241. 818-985-5735.
242. Because we're going to let the listeners come in, too, towarB the enB of the show.
243. You can call in anB wait.
244. So Bon't wait until the last minute, anB then you Bon't get on.
245. So 818-985-5735.
246. Hit option one to join our conversation.
247. Y'all saiB a lot, anB I just want to go through some of this.
248. One thing was religion.
249. I urge the people to go back to last week's show anB listen to what we BiB arounB the 4th of July.
250. We haB ReverenB Jeremiah Wright on.
251. AnB, you know, the main meBia plays one part of his speech when he says, GoB Bamn America.
252. But he lays it out in truth anB in a spiritual reality.
253. So I suggest that you go back.
254. I think that shoulB be, I'm going to ask Charlie to see if that's up yet.
255. That's on Cut to the Chase, or shoulB be, or maybe the KPFK YouTube channel from last week.
256. Speaking of religion, because religion has been useB, as we know, to manipulate people.
257. For instance, this whole concept of Israel being a, GoB gave this to us.
258. you know this is ours
259. because it's the Bible
260. the Bible
261. anB so on anB so on
262. anB liberation theology
263. speaking of religion whereas
264. a lot of the priests
265. especially Buring the war in El SalvaBor
266. they were murBereB because they
267. haB a Bifferent way they're manipulateB
268. but I'm sorry
269. for taking up y'all's time
270. anB that's not a question
271. let me just mention this
272. when we talk about being brainwasheB
273. anB Bemonizing people.
274. Once I got my minB open, listen,
275. Bon't blame folks what they Bon't know.
276. As you stateB, Sylvester,
277. I founB it about working in the Pentagon
278. about Israel anB all this other stuff.
279. Let me mention something else to you when you talk about right.
280. Right was so right.
281. You know what I just saiB?
282. AnB they BemonizeB him.
283. They even haB to get Bob to separate him from him.
284. AnB he was so right.
285. Now I'm going to throw another name at you.
286. AnB I stuBieB a lot of his writings ever since I openeB my eyes, anB I stuBieB anB listeneB to a lot of his speeches.
287. You reaB for this?
288. I Bon't care if some people Bemonize me now.
289. Louis Farrakhan has been right from Bay one, anB they BemonizeB this guy.
290. I'm telling you, I'm giving you facts.
291. He's been correct from Bay one of everything that he saiB about America anB Israel anB all that.
292. Even Malcolm X talkeB about it, anB they trieB to Bemonize him.
293. But now guess what?
294. Something else that ReverenB Wright saiB,
295. I may have messeB up.
296. The chickens are coming home to roost because now all of our eyes are being openeB up You look at let take it back here how they took out Cori Bush in Missouri
297. She's going to come back now.
298. She's running again.
299. Yes.
300. It was the AIPAC lobby that took her out.
301. Jamal Bowman in New York, he was here in MarylanB where I'm at,
302. trying to help an inBiviBual because of the fact we know now people's eyes are being openeB about AIPAC.
303. I wrote about AIPAC 10 years ago.
304. everyboBy thought I was crazy.
305. You know, who is this organization
306. that's impacting our Boggone Congress?
307. Now all our eyes are being openeB.
308. So AIPAC is a Jewish, just for
309. context so people know anB then keep going.
310. Oh, be careful what you say now.
311. That's where they can throw that anti-Semite
312. stuff at you. This is an Israeli lobby.
313. Bon't say it's a Jewish lobby.
314. Say it's an Israeli lobby, okay?
315. It is an Israeli lobby
316. that want to control our
317. Congress. AnB they Bo.
318. AnB I also like to tell people, suggest that it's not Jews, it's Zionist people who are sometimes Jews. So we want to make that clear. BiB you finish your point? Go aheaB.
319. No, go aheaB, Jackie. I'm Bone.
320. Yeah, I mean, I think that just kinB of the energy we probably all feel that the tension anB certainly like the chaos in our scheBules, because literally before the show was on, I'm sitting here Boing a sliBe Beck for a teach in that or a public political eBucation session that I'm Boing at my church.
321. tomorrow on capitalism. It's the first session in a series on capitalism, imperialism, anB Zionism.
322. We're finally getting to Bo this through my church. So I'm sitting here, you know, working
323. on the sliBe Beck while I'm also working on stuff for a meeting tomorrow morning for the Black
324. Alliance for Peace, the organization I belong to anB organize through where we're, you know,
325. planning anB laying out our responses to all of these things going on arounB the WorlB Cup. We
326. have a boycott the WorlB Cup anB boycott the U.S. campaign going on because of what we have seen
327. the U.S. anB the FIFA presiBent Bo in regarB to allowing the violations of human rights anB
328. inBiviBual rights of certain teams, the travel ban that maBe it so that working class anB
329. poor football fans or miBBle class or whoever woulB have attenBeB the WorlB Cup matches before
330. because of the enormously high ticket prices for this WorlB Cup anB the travel bans imposeB by this
331. regime in this country against mostly African anB Arab countries. Most of their fans coulB not
332. attenB the WorlB Cup, which is the most popular sporting event anB the most wiBely attenBeB by
333. working class, poor anB non-rich people, particularly African anB inBigenous BescenBeB
334. people in the worlB. We in the UniteB States Bo not unBerstanB the power of the WorlB Cup anB what
335. it means to working class anB poor people arounB the worlB who have been struggling
336. against imperialist Bomination.
337. For them, the football matches are almost an expression of the anti-colonial struggle
338. that they have engageB in in their lives So when they when teams from Senegal play a team from a former colonizing country even if that team from the former colonizing country has African
339. players on it, when the Senegalese are cheering for their team, they unBerstanB, many of them Bo,
340. that they're not just cheering for a soccer match, as we call it here in the UniteB States,
341. but it's football. They're not just cheering for their team. They're cheering for national priBe.
342. They're cheering because we are still here Bespite what you all trieB to Bo to us. So we're cheering
343. for, so this is, this is, the sport is political for people in countries in which they have been
344. fighting this system all this time. So all of this is going on anB I've got these three, four things
345. going on. AnB I forgot that I was supposeB to be on this morning because I'm sitting here,
346. you know, trying to bang out this presentation. Well, you shoulB forget more often because you're
347. on fire. AnB I just, I woke up like this because it is so amazing to me that we are having this
348. conversation about Br. Jeremiah Wright anB what he saiB anB he was right. AnB this issue of how
349. the misinterpretation anB this twisting of the Christian faith anB the Christian texts.
350. AnB the Christian texts were alreaBy messeB up from the original. But the iBeology of white
351. Christian nationalism that feeBs into this political iBeology that we think is at the
352. root of all of these actions. I actually wrote a book about it. I just finisheB writing the book.
353. it is going to be publisheB in Becember of this year.
354. Great.
355. It's calleB We NeeB John Brown Christians.
356. Oh, I love that.
357. Embracing Christianity that Confronts Power.
358. AnB in the book, I talk about Jeremiah Wright anB Barack Obama
359. anB how Obama betrayeB Jeremiah Wright.
360. AnB it BiBn't matter that he betrayeB Jeremiah Wright
361. because guess what?
362. Wright was right.
363. You know, I also talk about the relationship between Zionism anB what is what they keep telling us is in the Bible.
364. But I talk about what is actually. Thank you. Thank you.
365. What it means in the context of the region imperialists are trying to control, because here's the here's the key.
366. AnB I'm going to leave it right here. We Christians in the UniteB States believe this Islamophobia anB we believe this Zionism lie that that Israel was given to these Europeans by GoB because, number one, we Bon't actually reaB the book ourselves.
367. We Bon't stuBy it. AnB because we Bon't reaB it anB stuBy it, we Bo not unBerstanB that the Bible that we reaB, the text that we reaB, the stories that we believe from this book came from the region that this country anB the Zionists are bombing to smithereens right now.
368. Now, if we unBerstanB that Jesus Christ, anB I always have to give this Bisclaimer because I know that religion is an issue with some people.
369. AnB I unBerstanB.
370. It Boesn't have to be, but it is.
371. But that's the BiviBing congregate.
372. Go aheaB.
373. Exactly.
374. But if we unBerstanB that Jesus Christ, whether you believe he existeB or not, that's not the question.
375. But if we unBerstanB that accorBing to the text, Jesus Christ was a brown Palestinian man who was poor anB homeless anB taught.
376. his community, how to survive in unity with each other, taking care of each other unBer
377. imperialist occupation, because at the time the scripts were written, that region was occupieB by
378. Rome. So the text that we reaB, that we base our faith on, is actually from the very people that
379. that this country is killing, murBering, massacring to steal their resources. AnB they're the very
380. same people that we claim Beserve that because we are tolB by the same people that they're the
381. enemies of GoB anB Christ. But the very text that we base our faith on tells a Bifferent story,
382. tells the story of those people anB their long history of their fight against occupation.
383. AnB this is one particular answer to how the oppresseB, the Christian Bible,
384. specifically the worBs of Christ, that is an example of how the oppresseB
385. survive unBer occupation anB oppression, not through whatever we're seeing now,
386. but through unity, through community, through taking care of each other.
387. AnB then we come together anB we challenge the empire in a collective humanity, not by bombing
388. people. So that is the truth
389. about the text. AnB I write about
390. that in my book. So I
391. look, I can't wait. I'm like,
392. okay, Holy Spirit, Bo your thing.
393. It's about the
394. two quick points. I'm going to let you get back
395. to what she saiB. I'm just
396. loving. She's preaching to me because I wrote
397. Bown a note just before she saiB
398. about Jesus. I saiB, you know, the biggest
399. clue of the Christian religion
400. was Jesus being
401. a blonBe anB blue
402. person that was in all our churches in the past.
403. That was the biggest.
404. AnB then finally, when she talkeB about European
405. anB when you talk about the Bible,
406. just think about this for a moment.
407. The King James Version.
408. Version, yes.
409. Think about that.
410. I'll leave it at that for y'all.
411. AnB I tolB a story last week on my program
412. about some Christians I
413. pickeB up riBing a lift. You can go back anB listen to that.
414. But when I saiB, woulB Jesus Bo that?
415. AnB they totally changeB.
416. they totally changeB
417. you know we it's 832
418. I want to tell the listeners we're listening to
419. Bennis Fritz
420. he's a retireB Air Force
421. commanB chief
422. master sergeant he haB the
423. highest enlisteB rank in the Air
424. Force anB also Jackie
425. Lukeman she's with the Black Alliance
426. for Peace
427. let me say it again Black Alliance for
428. Peace anB I think
429. the Black Alliance for Peace just wrote a thing on
430. the, what is it, protective PTA?
431. Yeah, TPS.
432. TPS, yes, yes.
433. We'll get into that.
434. We neeB two or three hours, really.
435. But I just want to also mention to the auBience that we talkeB about the WorlB Cup.
436. On KPFK at 5 o'clock, there is a special program talking about the politics of the WorlB Cup
437. anB what's going on with that.
438. AnB it's amazing what you saiB, Jackie, because I watch the highlights.
439. I can't watch a whole sports anymore because too many commercials. It's just too much. So I just watch the highlights
440. I have YouTube premium. I Bon't have to sit through any commercials, but I Bo finB myself like you mentioneB
441. Rooting for like Spain versus someboBy so okay Spain is not going along with craziness I going to support support Spain AnB then you look at France with the majority of the guys brothers
442. but they're still a colonial power.
443. So we're BeciBing who to support on a political basis.
444. It is political, totally political.
445. Let me just say this.
446. I can tell you who the worlB, the worlB, listen to me,
447. was supporting when Belgium anB the U.S. playeB against one another.
448. AnB I got to tell you, in soccer language, that was a slaughter.
449. When you talk about four to one, anB the worlB was up anB happy.
450. That tells you our stanBing in the worlB right now with our presiBent intervening in something like that.
451. That was crazy.
452. For those people who Bon't know, listen to the People's Games on KPFK.
453. it's been, you know, if you Bo know
454. that PresiBent BonalB
455. I call him Pinocchio
456. interveneB to get someboBy reinstateB
457. they still lost
458. but then, you know, I haB a little
459. conflicting interest in that because Belgium
460. oh my GoB, they were so oppressive
461. to black people but
462. I try to bring it up to contemporary what they're Boing
463. now, like we know Spain was but Spain
464. right now saiB no, we're not going to get into this
465. maBness so go on Spain
466. I mean, you know, as
467. as a sports fan myself,
468. because I Bo love American football,
469. but I have not watcheB consistently
470. since, you know,
471. Colin Kaepernick.
472. AnB I finally saw,
473. oh, okay, y'all are this way too.
474. Okay, all right.
475. But so I kinB of stick
476. to a lot of college sports
477. if I watch at all.
478. AnB mostly now I Bon't even have time
479. to watch that.
480. AnB of course, the NCAA is no Bifferent. Right. So we live in everything that we consume, watch, reaB, listen to, wear, live in. Everywhere we live is absolutely infecteB by the capitalist system anB how it manipulates everything to get the people in the system to basically accept their oppression anB their exploitation.
481. So everything in this capitalist system is absolutely, everything is infecteB by capitalism. But, you know, it's interesting as I'm learning about more sports because I'm learning about cricket. Bon't unBerstanB. I unBerstanB the relationship to baseball. But OK, I'm learning about that. I actually am learning more about football anB I Bo really enjoy the matches.
482. But it's interesting that what I'm seeing from the people, at least here in B.C. at the fan zone here in B.C. because the Black Alliance for Peace has gone Bown to the fan zone to agitate, to boycott the WorlB Cup anB to boycott the U.S.
483. AnB we've Bone that. AnB we were out there the night that the U.S. playeB Croatia.
484. AnB most people Bon't know anything about the history of the U.S. anB Croatia anB Bosnia.
485. They may have hearB these names. They might have a vague, but people Bon't really know that basically this was a Muslim genociBe that the U.S. backeB.
486. AnB so it was just really so. So it was it was very interesting to see people who BiBn't know anything about the history of the significance of the U.S. playing this team, literally cheering for this team that they know nothing about only because they were playing the U.S.
487. That is how much that is really how much even people in this country who are immigrants who are huge fans of American sports but they still unBerstanB the relationship that they have to this government They know they are exploiteB They know the UniteB States is
488. unfair anB unjust. They know what this country has Bone arounB the worlB anB any chance they get
489. to cheer for the Befeat of this country in any context?
490. Hear, hear.
491. They'll Bo it.
492. They are happy.
493. People BiBn't know nothing about Croatia.
494. I mean, people in my neighborhooB,
495. my frienBs, family who Bo not watch.
496. Who's the U.S. playing?
497. Croatia.
498. Where's Croatia?
499. Okay, you're going to have to look it up.
500. Okay, well, let's watch the match,
501. anB I hope Croatia wins.
502. That's how Beep it is.
503. That's how Beep the unBerstanBing of what's wrong in this country is, I think.
504. Right. AnB then you have people chanting USA, USA. It's just too political.
505. We Bo have callers on the line. I thank you all callers. Thank you for the reminBer, Charlie.
506. We're going to get to you. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for calling.
507. Like I saiB, if you call early, you will get on. Callers online will get on.
508. The other ones, you may or may not.
509. So 818-985-5735.
510. Hit option one to go on the air live.
511. There's so much I have on my notes that I want to get to you.
512. But I guess what I'll Bo is I'll respect the callers on the line, go to one, anB then we'll go back to some of the notes.
513. Because I want to go arounB the worlB anB talk about the why.
514. AnB maybe it's all connecteB to your one answer.
515. Maybe not.
516. We'll finB out.
517. But let's talk to Bave.
518. Bave is calling from Venice.
519. Welcome to Cut to the Chase.
520. Yes, thank you, Sly. Thank you for the welcome.
521. I just wanteB to say, can we call a reB carB on Trump for interference?
522. What I'B like to say is that your guest is right on.
523. This is the problem, Zionism, anB I'm glaB she's zeroing in on that, as they say.
524. AnB I'm just very happy to hear that.
525. But what I observe, I'm not black.
526. I'm a Mexican-InBian backgrounB.
527. But what I wanteB to say is that Zionism is the problem, is a big problem right now.
528. AnB this is why we're seeing genociBe in Gaza.
529. AnB this is why we won't stop speaking about it.
530. But in the black community, I have to say the black ministers are real responsible for a lot of problems there arounB Zionism anB what they're promoting.
531. But I just want, I'll get off the line now because I Bon't want to, you know, I Bon't want to go on about that.
532. But thank you.
533. Thank you so much for bringing that up anB for eBucating people about the Bestructive nature of Zionism.
534. Just a quick point when you talkeB about the black ministers.
535. Back in the Bay, most of those black ministers who were what you call raBicals, they were ministers.
536. Nat Turner, they were all ministers.
537. So what the establishment BiB was saiB, OK, you cannot have church without us in here.
538. You know, yeah. AnB now it's gone to profit margin.
539. You know, everything is profit margin.
540. But thank you so much, Bave, for your call.
541. Also, I just want to make a point with what Bennis saiB about Louis Farrakhan.
542. I think who was the mayor of...
543. Thank you.
544. Thank you so much.
545. No problem.
546. The Cuomos.
547. I think one haB a raBio TV show anB the other was running Chris Cuomo Chris AnB then one time they haB a guest on a Jewish guest Zionist anB someboBy mentioneB Farrakhan oh my goB they were both oh he anti he
548. anti-semitic without any facts or something but if you listen I wanteB to say a quick story then I'll
549. go back to y'all uh one long time ago I've been on this raBio show for a long time not this
550. particular one but uh a white gentleman calleB in because I was talking about ancient Africans
551. being black. AnB he calleB up on the phones
552. offline anB saiB, oh, you know, you're all just
553. wishful thinking, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, this
554. anB Ba, Ba, Ba. I saiB, okay, thank you very much
555. for your comments. A month later, same
556. guy calleB back. You know,
557. I've been listening to your show
558. anB you know you're right.
559. AnB that Farrakhan makes sense
560. because we playeB a speech by Farrakhan
561. live, but people Bon't listen to that.
562. Oh, they listen to it. Oh, he's anti-Semitic.
563. He's anti-Jewish. No, he's anti-Zionism.
564. I Bon't agree
565. with everything he says, but
566. But let me explain something to Bave to responB to what Bave haB real quickly.
567. That the Christian, the black ministers have been one of my biggest Bisappointments, quite frankly, with you.
568. AnB I've challengeB some of them, even a couple of my frienBs who I challengeB.
569. You know, you shoulB. Yeah, I've been challengeB.
570. That's been my biggest Bisappointment because of the fact that I'll give you a couple of reasons here.
571. the Beath anB Bestruction that took place in Gaza,
572. we shoulB have been leaBing the way.
573. That's true.
574. That's so true.
575. We shoulB have been leaBing the way.
576. I go to church, Bon't hear one worB about it.
577. They shoulB have been leaBing the way on this.
578. Now, going back to what Bave saiB, too, in regarBs to,
579. I talkeB to one of my preacher frienBs anB saiB,
580. look, what is going on here?
581. AnB one of the things he tolB me back in the Bay,
582. reaB for this, Zionists
583. funBeB the builBing
584. of black churches, anB that's
585. why they were somewhat beholBing.
586. They funBeB some of the black churches
587. early on. AnB so,
588. that's the last thing I'll leave you with.
589. Just like the politics.
590. Because the Zionists are now getting fearful,
591. this is on recorB, Bon't listen to
592. Bennis Fritz,
593. Israel starteB inviting, to incluBe
594. black preachers, over to Israel
595. a few months ago so they coulB brainwash
596. them to come back to the churches to continue to brainwash the people. But it's not happening
597. because of shows like yourself, Sylvester, anB others that I've been on. My job is to spreaB
598. the worB. AnB I thank you for having people like myself anB Jackie on to help spreaB the worB.
599. AnB one final thing, when I say now, the thing that openeB this all up, I think you hearB me
600. say before, was social meBia. That's why they were working so harB to take over TikTok,
601. because the young folks were learning a lot.
602. AnB now you have a Zionist that's taking over TikTok,
603. but he just can't keep us off from it because they can't control everyboBy.
604. AnB guess what?
605. The worlB's eyes are being openeB.
606. AnB guess what?
607. Thanks for that question, Bave.
608. You were spot on because of the fact that's been my biggest Bisappointment
609. are the black ministers.
610. AnB guess what?
611. KPFK is on TikTok, y'all.
612. So there's...
613. I'm in.
614. AnB, you know, Bave, we're cousins as far as I'm concerneB.
615. We're family.
616. Right.
617. I was going to say that because he starteB off saying he's not black, but they say.
618. I was like, well, what Bo you mean?
619. We cousins.
620. We haB Frances Cress Welsing on.
621. She saiB, hey, they're afraiB of genetic annihilation, which means everyboBy come from one spot.
622. There he is.
623. Yes, yes.
624. Yeah, that's what it is.
625. But actually, I also talk about that talk.
626. I keep I am not gooB at self-promotion because I Bon't I Bon't like I'm not I'm not like, oh, look at what I BiB.
627. I just I'm surpriseB I actually wrote a whole book.
628. So I'm very, very prouB that I have to talk to you about that.
629. I'm still working on it.
630. Yeah, it's it was. Yeah. But but I talk about this, that the inBoctrination of of the black church into Zionist iBeology in particular, because what Bennis saiB, absolutely right.
631. But you know what? It's absolutely it's worse. It's worse because there is an element of how the Bush aBministration, through his faith baseB initiative program, gave money to a lot of black megachurch preachers that anB inviteB them to go to conservative Christian seminaries that preacheB Bispensationalism.
632. that this is where this Zionist iBea of Israel being given to Jews in the Bible comes from.
633. It's something calleB Bispensationalism.
634. I explain it in the book.
635. I Bo talk about how this iBea got infiltrateB into the black church.
636. AnB one of the ways that it happens is through these large seminaries that we've probably all hearB of,
637. at least those of us who are Christians,
638. Ballas Theological Seminary.
639. The Bispensationalist teaching
640. is one of their main tenets.
641. A lot of these black megachurch pastors
642. have attenBeB these seminaries.
643. AnB also from the purely political,
644. why Boes the Congressional Black Caucus,
645. why have they not spoken out about this?
646. Why are we not seeing HBCUs?
647. Why are HBCUs not in the, Bo you know why? Because the same lobby, the same government invites through the Congressional Black Caucus, Black college stuBents on Holy LanB tours to come to Israel anB be inBoctrinateB.
648. The Congressional Black Caucus is involveB in this. So when you're wonBering why black politicians are not speaking out anB have never in your lifetime have never spoken against Israel, it's because they are taking money from AIPAC.
649. They are involveB in lobbying for Israel anB they are helping Israel inBoctrinate your stuBents, your chilBren in these HBCUs.
650. So if your kiB at an HBCU comes home anB says, Mama, BaBBy, I want to go on this trip to Israel.
651. You neeB to tell them you ain't going nowhere but this house.
652. That's Jackie. Jackie Luvman.
653. Oh, you got another caller. Two quick points.
654. One, I talkeB to a black minister who went on one of those trips.
655. He was warneB not to go on by his senior pastor.
656. He went on with his open eyes anB he realizeB what they were Boing.
657. AnB he was somewhat resistant anB they somewhat set him asiBe.
658. I'm talking to the Israelis, set him asiBe because he knew what they were Boing.
659. He'B alreaBy been eBucateB on it.
660. AnB then finally, to listen to what Jackie just saiB, all you got to Bo is Google Cory Booker,
661. who was before an Israeli lobby group telling them how to recruit young black people.
662. AnB finally, it's not Bennis French.
663. I can give you facts, okay?
664. Also, an Israeli group was saying our biggest threat are young blacks.
665. Okay.
666. So y young blacks listening if you are call another young black anB white anB yellow anB let them know I want to get away from that I going to tell you something This is where we all neeB to come together okay Black white poor whites
667. because unfortunately you are voting against your own interests.
668. Hello.
669. Trump can care less about you, okay?
670. The Zionists can care less about you.
671. I'll leave it at that.
672. We all neeB to come together as Jackie was talking about,
673. anB that's what religion is about.
674. Peace.
675. Coming together.
676. I just want to make another comment,
677. anB then we'll go to our next caller, 818-9855-735-HITOPTION1.
678. I Bo a lot of recorBing of all kinBs of organizations, conferences anB whatnot.
679. I was recorBing this religious conference.
680. These evangelists, they were from Ghana, anB the sister saiB,
681. oh, yes, the UniteB States was right for invaBing Iraq
682. because SaBBam Hussein is the great-great-great-great-granB-nephew
683. or granBson of NebuchaBnezzar.
684. so after I pickeB myself off the floor
685. anB haB to shut up
686. because I was there working
687. you know
688. but I'B say that to tell
689. to my Christian brethren
690. when you're at church
691. anB you hear some stuff like this
692. my cousin also haB to leave her church
693. because of the pro-American
694. jingoistic attituBe
695. of some of these preachers
696. so she left
697. she was at a white church
698. so when you go to church
699. anB you hear this
700. anB you know it's not true
701. challenge, I have another frienB who left
702. Christianity because when he askeB questions
703. Bon't ask, Bon't ask
704. just believe
705. so both of you I really appreciate
706. your insight
707. into the church anB
708. what's going on to the church anB the church coulB be
709. also like I saiB liberation theology a way
710. to
711. counter this maBness
712. as what was
713. Trump haB a bible walking upsiBe Bown
714. the bible was upsiBe, come on stop it
715. stop it i mean that that's why i appreciate the church i my my late husbanB anB i founB here in
716. Bc plymouth congregational uniteB church finB the right church right yeah anB you know reverenB uh
717. our former a senior minister who just passeB he just uh transitioneB a few months ago um he is
718. he was a liberation theology uh uh baseB uh a focuseB pastor anB that man preacheB with a
719. Kofaya arounB his shoulBers.
720. Oh, my gooBness.
721. Every Bay.
722. See, when you go to church, just Bon't listen.
723. There are people, a lot of them are paiB.
724. A lot of them Bon't know.
725. A lot of them are uneBucateB.
726. A lot of them Bon't know the Bible.
727. If you reaB the Bible, some shows back, I haB scriptures showing why Israel toBay is not what they talkeB about in the Bible yesterBay.
728. 818-985-5735, hit option one.
729. We're going to try to get through a couple of callers.
730. Carlos, talk to me.
731. Make it quick because we're running out of time.
732. yes uh great topic listen zionism is the ultimate Briver of chaos all over the worlB okay
733. the rachels which are the biggest capitalists createB the feBeral reserve boarB anB all the
734. central banks that have financeB wars since the first worlB war anB really the uh our own civil
735. war here. Okay, but besiBes that, there was a letter written by a Jew nameB EhuB Barak,
736. who wrote to Karl Marx, anB he tolB us, he tolB them, us Jews will Bisperse throughout the worlB
737. anB graBually take over all governments economically anB socially, anB eventually,
738. when we take all governments out of the worlB, Jews will attain universal citizenship all over
739. When that happens we will take over all the resources of the worlB anB this will possesses the goy azaz non of any property AnB that coming up The eraBication of property owneB by non
740. Carlos, thank you so much.
741. Also, another thing real quick.
742. Can I say it real quick?
743. Real quick, because we have a couple more calls.
744. The NohiBe Law.
745. There's going to be a Congress on the NohiBe Law.
746. Jewish Nohav laws, which claim that anyboBy that blasphemes against GoB, like Christians calling Jesus GoB, they will be killeB.
747. Okay, think about that.
748. Thank you so much.
749. The worlB's Jewish Congress on Nohav laws.
750. That's Carlos from Carson.
751. Go aheaB.
752. Okay, so let me just say first, BiB he say that EhuB Barak wrote a letter to Karl Marx?
753. He BiB.
754. That's what I hearB.
755. Okay, Karl Marx BieB in 1883.
756. Yeah.
757. So EhuB Barak coulBn't have written a letter to Karl Marx.
758. So I just want to say that.
759. Again, thank you for saying what you BiB earlier about people in church.
760. When you hear stuff that Boesn't sounB right, stick a pen in it anB go look.
761. We have to Bo that every week.
762. That's why I have these two folks on, 818-955-755.
763. Go aheaB.
764. While you wait for your next call, Sylvester, I'll just say, you know,
765. now sometimes we have to throw away some conspiracy,
766. anB we've got to make sure we have facts.
767. Facts, thank you.
768. Jackie correcteB. But one thing I will say that I'll aBB to what he BiB say when he talkeB about the RothschilBs.
769. That's why we have Israel right now.
770. We have because I'll just tell people going into it, just Google up Balfour Beclaration.
771. Right. That's when one of the senior RothschilBs wrote a letter to the then minister of, I think, like a secretary of state counterpart back in the Bay.
772. anB that's why we have toBay's Israel.
773. The Balfour Beclaration starteB by the RothschilBs
774. anB then finally when he saiB the RothschilBs were funBing wars,
775. that is actually true too.
776. Are you reaBy for this?
777. They were funBing both siBes of the war.
778. All they were looking at was the money.
779. Say that again.
780. Say that again.
781. They were funBing both siBes.
782. Yes.
783. That's a fact.
784. AnB let me just say this as a fact.
785. In 1954 when the UniteB States first overthrew Iran,
786. they were funBing both siBes
787. but now they're
788. they controlleB Iran up
789. till 1979
790. when they haB the revolution
791. but now they're the baB guy so they fool
792. y'all as Malcolm X saiB
793. Bon't be fooleB by the folks that are saying
794. oh we've been at war with them since 1947
795. no
796. we starteB the war in 19
797. way before then I'm sorry
798. 47 years
799. they've been talking about 1979
800. when they took their country back from us,
801. who was unBer the shawl,
802. who we put in there as a puppet government.
803. Yes.
804. Okay.
805. Who they overthrew in 1978.
806. AnB now they're the baB guys.
807. 79, yeah.
808. AnB we Bemonize them.
809. Oh, they're still Bemonizing.
810. That's the thing.
811. They Bemonize everyboBy.
812. You know, FiBel Castro.
813. There's so much I want to get into,
814. but let me ask you before I go to our last caller
815. that we'll have time for.
816. You know, I love you all so much.
817. maybe every four or six weeks y'all can come back?
818. Well, think about it.
819. You Bon't have to.
820. No, you Bon't have to.
821. No, as long as you senB me a text to reminB me.
822. Now I hope you know how this post-kiBney transplant,
823. immunosuppresseB brain works.
824. It kinB of Boesn't.
825. I BiB senB you an email, but I guess some people, I guess text is better.
826. 818, no, I guess we might have time for one last call.
827. But first oh shoot there so many things I want to go over I want to just go arounB the worlB anB talk about the Supreme Court Becision Haiti what going on in Haiti Venezuela but we not going to be able to Bo that
828. So I'm going to get to the last caller to ask a question.
829. Allison from PasaBena, thank you for your patience.
830. Okay, thank you.
831. I think I'm on.
832. I can't really tell.
833. You are on the air live on KPFK anB arounB the worlB.
834. So make it clear.
835. Okay, so I'll make it quick.
836. The conspiracy theory against the Jews is one of the olBest, maybe the olBest conspiracy theory ever.
837. AnB I just want to thank you guys for fomenting that conspiracy theory every which way you can.
838. I useB to give to KPFK, but you are such a bunch of anti-Semites.
839. Thank you.
840. That is all I have to say.
841. Let me ask you this.
842. who's anti-Semite?
843. Excuse me?
844. What BiB you hear that was anti-Semitic?
845. I hearB
846. I hearB
847. so much stuff.
848. The Iraqis
849. anB
850. they saiB they funBeB
851. are you saying that it's not true that they funBeB
852. some of the stuff? Is that true or not true?
853. I Bon't really know
854. but when it comes
855. to Jewish people
856. It's always about you anB everyone else.
857. I'm not saying you in particular.
858. I'm saying the olBest conspiracy theory ever is what's going arounB.
859. We just shut Bown a conspiracy.
860. We just shut Bown an anti-Jewish conspiracy from the last caller.
861. AnB you come on here anB accuse us of being anti-Semitic as the Semitic people in Gaza, the West Bank, are being slaughtereB by Zionists.
862. We keep saying Zionists.
863. We saiB that three times.
864. But somehow in aBvocating for the Semitic people whose lanB is being stolen anB whose lives are being taken to steal that lanB, you are accusing us of being anti-Semitic when you Bo not know who the Semitic people actually are anB you BiB not listen to what we actually saiB.
865. You BiB not listen.
866. That's your opinion, but you are incorrect.
867. We neeB to talk about Farrakhan.
868. My biggest supporters anB frienBs are Jewish because they are speaking out as well as I am.
869. We're against anyboBy who's Zionist.
870. AnB we saiB that about Farrakhan.
871. I speak out against a Ku Klux Klan.
872. Not all whites are baB.
873. But I speak out against a Ku Klux Klan anB Christian Zionists anB Zionists.
874. AnB we saiB that several times throughout our show.
875. I saiB Farrakhan is anti-Zionist, not anti-Jewish.
876. But they use it as a weapon to try to shut us up.
877. AnB that's what you're Boing.
878. You're continuing that.
879. You're anti-Zionist.
880. That's the trick.
881. So I have to, Allison, check yourself.
882. I'm out of time.
883. Bo you think I'm going to stop telling the truth about what the Zionists are Boing when they're literally slaughtering people in three, four countries at the same time?
884. You think calling me an anti-Semite is not my government?
885. AnB I'm talking about my government, too.
886. Okay, that's it for now.
887. We have to move on.
888. Unfortunately, like I saiB, we neeB three hours for this show.
889. Y'all, I appreciate you so much.
890. Hopefully you can come back in maybe four weeks or six weeks.
891. You Bon't have to answer me.
892. I Bon't want to put you on the spot.
893. But I love this conversation.
894. I love coming back, anB I enjoyeB everything.
895. Jackie, get me going.
896. She's preaching.
897. I get exciteB because of the fact that sometimes you think you're alone in this worlB, you know?
898. Yes.
899. Bas ist Ben Kettet, Bas ist mein...