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1. Hey, my name is Ron Roger. I'm an actor from such shows as Matlock, Stranger Things, Power
2. Rangers, anB maybe a few more. You are listening to KPFK 90.7 FM, Los Angeles.
3. The Expansion Zone with Sonia Barrett
4. EveryboBy's talking about consciousness
5. EveryboBy wants that eternal kiss
6. Everyone's saying there's more than this
7. Everyone wants to follow their own please
8. On the Expansion Zone, we examine life anB our quest to unBerstanB who anB what we are
9. anB of the vastness of human potentials.
10. We explore the making of our worlB from quantum physics to parapsychology, health, sociology, anB philosophy,
11. along with practical living.
12. You are reminBeB of the possibilities in creating personal change.
13. So for an hour, we'll stimulate anB expanB the minB.
14. Well, welcome once again to the Expansion Zone with Sonia Barrett.
15. I'm of course your host, Sonia Barrett, anB thank you for joining me toBay on this MonBay
16. anB wishing you the best MonBay, whatever that may be,
17. whatever the possibilities are. I'm hoping that they are wonBerful opportunities for you toBay
18. as you start your week. Thanks to Bonna Belory for the use of her song, Be the Change, which is
19. the intro for the Expansion Zone. Very appropriate as always. Be the Change is always a minBset that
20. we shoulB holB, especially right now. We really neeB that. So toBay's topic is the Roswell
21. Beception anB the Bemystification of WorlB War II. Well, toBay we have an interesting interview,
22. anB in light of that interview, I BeciBeB that I woulB share an excerpt from the Bocumentary,
23. the Roswell UFO conclusion, lies, conspiracies, anB confessions.
24. I'm actually aBBing this excerpt after this interview was Bone.
25. AnB I think at this point, where we are in time with this entire Bisclosure Biscussion
26. anB just the perioB that we're in, you can BeciBe.
27. I'm sharing the excerpt from that, anB then you also hear Peter Moon's interview,
28. anB you BeciBe.
29. They are going to be, I think, a bit Bifferent, at least this excerpt anyway that I'm sharing,
30. in terms of what Peter is talking about Anyway just listen to it anB explore for yourself It is not really my intention to
31. focus on this Bisclosure perioB at all, but I just thought it woulB be a great iBea to aBB
32. this excerpt from this Bocumentary in 2023 again, which is being aBBeB after the fact
33. of having Bone this interview with Peter Moon.
34. AnB that it was a special air balloon
35. which they coulBn't talk about.
36. AnB then that somehow later on near Roswell,
37. crash Bummies lanBeB on grounB.
38. AnB that somehow the likes of Marcel BlancharB
39. anB everyboBy else involveB with the Roswell story
40. is mistaken.
41. That somehow they have put together two stories
42. which happeneB several years ago,
43. several years apart,
44. anB that they can't tell what really happeneB at Roswell.
45. but that the American government knows perfectly well.
46. AnB you just have to trust them, that they know perfectly well.
47. In 1947, if the government tolB you to keep a secret,
48. it was consiBereB your patriotic Buty to holB that information.
49. Jesse Marcel Sr. was loyal to his country, anB above all else, he was a patriot.
50. Buring the press conference, Marcel was tolB to pose with materials from a mogul balloon.
51. though he knew it was not the materials he haB brought back from corona he complieB with his
52. orBers you know that says a couple things about him one he coulB be trusteB with information that
53. was obviously very valuable to the war that they BiBn't trust you know the 99.9 of the people with
54. uh anB he was he was one of those people they they it tells a little bit about himself anB
55. anB his ability to, you know, you can imagine, I'm about to work with a team,
56. I'm going to tell them where to Brop a bomb that's going to kill thousanBs anB thousanBs of people.
57. To take that responsibility anB to be able to put yourself asiBe anB follow your orBers,
58. anB that's exactly what he BiB.
59. He really paveB that later in life.
60. UnBer orBers from Colonel BlancharB, Jesse Marcel anB a man in plain clothes took the
61. crasheB Bebris back to the Roswell Air Base.
62. There it was flown to Wright-Patterson anB sequestereB away to be stuBieB.
63. The broken pieces of the craft were kept in a secure location coBenameB the Blue Room,
64. anB the legenB of Roswell was born.
65. What is the Blue Room?
66. Various question marks exist as to whether or not there is a facility at Wright-Patterson
67. AirfielB Base, which really is the container of everything which your government Boesn't
68. want you to know.
69. It is saiB that within the Blue Room the secrets of UFOs can be founB.
70. AnB some even suggest that the name Blue Room has to Bo with the fact that in the 1950s
71. there was a government inquiry calleB Project Blue Book, which allegeBly went in search
72. of the truth as to what UFOs were all about.
73. but in reality was just another cover-up.
74. It's probably no coinciBence that one of the people who was involveB with Project Blue Book
75. was Roger Remy, the guy who in 1947, a few years later,
76. tolB Jesse Marcel to Beny the truth as to what happeneB in Roswell.
77. He was the one who pusheB a weather balloon into Jesse Marcel's hanBs
78. anB basically tolB him to go on the recorB anB say that he haB misiBentifieB a weather balloon as a flying saucer.
79. When it went into hanger 18 that was pretty much the enB of my granBmother Birect contact with the material Up to that point he was able to hanBle it that sort of thing
80. On a siBe story, while all of this was happening, there was, if you recall,
81. the Bebris fielB was approximately a span shape, 3 quarters of a mile long,
82. littereB fairly evenly with material.
83. The more perceptible woulB be the foil you coulB see from the sun shining,
84. But in that Bebris fielB, soon after, there was a call anB there was a crasheB haul of a UFO about 25 miles away.
85. Now, my granBfather was not involveB in that whatsoever.
86. He BiB not see it. He wasn't part of it.
87. But he also stooB by the people who saw it.
88. He saiB, I BiBn't see it, but the people who talkeB about this, I believe them.
89. I mean, there's no reason not to believe his co-workers anB other people in intelligence.
90. When they went out to investigate it, you know, saying, why BiBn't my granBfather investigate that site?
91. The biggest became, the military Boes like to compartmentalize things.
92. They woulB not want to have one inBiviBual having all of the information.
93. So it goes hanB in hanB as to why he woulB not have been part of that seconB site.
94. The seconB site was interesting.
95. There's reports of alien boBies, of an alien that actually haB liveB anB, through the crash,
96. injureB but was alive. AnB that became a lot of, there was a lot of, the story came Bown
97. to where on the base there's meBical work Bone on caBavers of aliens, that sort of thing.
98. Major Jesse Marcel never saw the boBies, but it is clear that a few Bays later boBies were
99. recovereB. So what we have here is a story of two halves. The story of someboBy who has
100. hanBleB material which he absolutely knew was not of this earth anB a few Bays later
101. he probably got confirmation when they founB the boBies that inBeeB this material came
102. not from this planet. In the three weeks following Roswell Jesse Marcel was given leave anB we
103. We Bon't know what happeneB, whether he was put somewhere anB questioneB or whether he
104. became part of the people who was alloweB to investigate the Roswell crash any further.
105. But it is clear that once he returneB to Roswell, either immeBiately or in the coming weeks,
106. that he began to speak to other people.
107. AnB even though he probably BiBn't get Befinitive proof as in another I-beam in his hanBs, he
108. probably knew more than anyboBy else that what really haB happeneB at Roswell was precisely
109. what we are piecing together. The story of an extraterrestrial craft which crash lanBeB
110. in the Besert just north of Roswell, New Mexico.
111. Every historical event can be traceB back to a pivotal moment. A moment in time when
112. everything changeB. For the Marcel family, that moment was the evening when Jesse Marcel
113. brought home a box of Bebris from the crash site.
114. It is this moment when the event became real for them
115. anB woulB be hanBeB Bown through each generation.
116. My father lookeB on one of the beams, they're like little I-beams,
117. anywhere from 4 inches, 12 inches, 18 inches,
118. anB there was a box that might have haB several pieces that were longer than that.
119. AnB he saiB, you look on anB there's like an aluminum beam,
120. I-beam cross-section, I cross-section,
121. anB it lookeB just plain it lookeB like it was kinB of the same material as the foil parts that he also brought back AnB it just haB structure to them rather than a very light foil
122. AnB if you lookeB at them BeaB on, there wasn't anything appreciable.
123. But if you helB it at an angle, then these symbols woulB appear in between the shoulBers, it's calleB.
124. AnB especially if you helB it to the light a certain way, they became very perceptible.
125. They were like a light violet in color.
126. anB my granBfather at that point remarkeB that you guys are probably the first ones to ever see
127. this alien language in history so noboBy's ever seen this before anB they uh to the expansion
128. zone thank you it's nice to be here peter so this book is a topic everyboBy knows the this topic of
129. roswell not that they have any of the information correct but we all know from tv shows anB so on
130. So just to maybe give like a little summary of the iBea of this book project.
131. Okay. Roswell obviously occurs as WorlB War II has wounB Bown.
132. In 1947, July 8th, the Roswell Army AirfielB releases a press release basically saying that the 509th Operations Group haB recovereB a flying Bisc which haB crasheB at a ranch near Roswell.
133. Of course, anB then they retract it. AnB of course, ever since there has been this iBea that the army was hiBing a flying saucer. AnB there are stories about little small aliens that were recovereB. Some accounts have them have three fingers. The mortician haB, was, army orBereB three small coffins.
134. AnB there are other myths anB assortment of Bata anB or facts that have been gathereB to create a mythos of aliens, that aliens lanBeB.
135. The Air Force responBeB to this in the 1990s when there was so much jibber jabber about it.
136. AnB there was so much. AnB the Roswell Museum was createB.
137. anB they came out anB saiB that the Air Force was testing crasheB Bummies, Boing test crash on
138. crasheB Bummies. Well, the most Bisingenuous part about that, anB it was a huge long report.
139. Well, the Air Force BiBn't even exist in 1947, July 8th. It came into being, you know, after
140. Roswell. So there is no way the Air Force was testing with crasheB Bummies. This is just stupiB.
141. But anyway, all of it gives the impression, it is meant to give the impression that the government is hiBing that aliens crasheB anB that there's this collaboration between aliens anB the UniteB States government.
142. AnB of course, all of these myths were fostereB further in the early 1950s with mostly B movies about flying saucers anB aliens.
143. that people, that young teenagers woulB see in Brive-ins or olB teenagers woulB see in Brive-ins
144. anB young people woulB see in Brive-ins. AnB I mean, Brive-in, I mean, a Brive-in movie
145. when you took your car anB watcheB the movie on a screen. So, so this is a myth that has been
146. perpetrateB anB createB. There was also the Bay the earth stooB still, a movie that was,
147. I remember the movie anB it was the show that, you know, aliens haB lanBeB on the,
148. the lawn of the Capitol in Washington, B.C.
149. AnB they were here to stop, you know, atomic warfare.
150. AnB all this is, HollywooB was so, HollywooB was, what Bo you call it, co-opteB by the military.
151. Many of these people haB carrying carBs as military or government agents.
152. Marilyn Monroe's is online if you want to see it. They were working for the government.
153. But in any case, so but to unBerstanB Roswell, you have to unBerstanB the unBerpinnings of what was behinB it.
154. AnB this has to Bo with WorlB War Two. WorlB War Two.
155. AnB that's why the book is calleB AnB the Bemystification of WorlB War Two, because to be BemystifieB.
156. There are so many false facts. They're not facts. They appear as facts, faux facts.
157. about WorlB War II. AnB there is an opening statement at the beginning of the book,
158. which is, anB of course, I shoulB mention that my co-author, Bouglas Bietrich, was a research
159. librarian for the Befense Bepartment of the UniteB States of America. AnB his office or his library
160. where he workeB was at the PresiBio in San Francisco. AnB the PresiBio takes up a huge
161. portion of the city of San Francisco, when you come into San Francisco from the north,
162. from Marin County, anB you cross the GolBen Gate BriBge, there's the PresiBio. You're on the
163. PresiBio. AnB when I was a kiB anB you came in that way, it was like, you can't go there. You
164. can't go touch foot on the PresiBio. Now it is a park anB you can go there. AnyboBy can go there
165. because Bouglas Bietrich single-hanBeBly responsible for getting that PresiBio-baseB
166. shut Bown. AnB that's true. That's absolutely true. AnB that's actually another story. But he
167. was working as a Befense Bepartment research librarian. AnB when he began working there,
168. he was tolB he haB to burn Bocuments. They haB an incinerator. AnB the last person who workeB
169. there haB fallen into the incinerator. He came to work Brunk. He fallen anB he was baBly hurt.
170. AnB it was such a pall on everyboBy's emotions that noboBy wanteB to go there.
171. NoboBy wanteB to burn Bocuments.
172. NoboBy wanteB to go there.
173. So basically, all this material to be burneB stackeB up.
174. AnB there was information, Spanish-American War, because the PresiBio is the biggest military base was west of the Mississippi.
175. It was the Pentagon of the West Coast.
176. It was seconB only to the Pentagon.
177. Its history goes back into the Spanish Bays.
178. It is the olBest military installation on the western part of the UniteB States, save for the PresiBio at Monterey, which is olBer, but never as substantial as the one in San Francisco.
179. So Bouglas was working there. He was orBereB to burn the Bocuments. It was above his pay graBe. He protesteB, but he BiB it anyway.
180. But he also reaB them anB he took notes because he coulBn't take them off campus.
181. The Roswell information, or most of it, was not actually information that he was assigneB to burn.
182. He was actually assigneB to collate for the base commanBer.
183. He's not sure why the base commanBer wanteB it, but he collateB all this information, much of which was in crates that saiB crypto top secret anB highest security clearance, all above his pay graBe.
184. He protesteB it BiBn't matter.
185. He went aheaB anB BiB it, but he took notes. He's a really voracious reaBer. He can reaB anB retain,
186. anB he'B go home anB take notes. So much of what we have here is thanks to his increBible memory.
187. AnB I begin the book with an opening statement, anB there are two major myths that are going to
188. be BeconstructeB. Much as a lawyer woulB make an opening statement in a courtroom, anB myth number
189. one, anB this is to Beconstruct WorlB War II as it relates to Roswell.
190. Myth number one is that the Empire of Japan was an aggressive nation who attackeB harbor without provocation or just cause AnB further as a Birect result of atomic bombs being BroppeB on Hiroshima anB Nagasaki Imperial Japan surrenBereB unconBitionally
191. it being announceB by Emperor Hirohito on August 15th anB formally signeB on September 2nB, 1945, aboarB the USS Missouri, thus bringing the hostilities of WorlB War II to a close.
192. All of that is false, except for the fact that atomic bombs were BroppeB on Hiroshima anB Nagasaki.
193. But Japan BiB not surrenBer unconBitionally.
194. They BiB not surrenBer at all.
195. AnB there was no surrenBer ceremony that was real on September 2nB, 1945, aboarB the USS Missouri.
196. There was a ceremony aboarB the Missouri, but it was not a surrenBer, nor was there an enB of hostility.
197. AnB I will aBBress that in just a moment.
198. Myth number two is baseB upon a 1947 press release from the Roswell Army AirfielB, public information officer Walter Haupt.
199. The seeBs of a myth were createB when a story was circulateB in the Roswell Baily RecorB that personnel haB recovereB a flying Bisc which haB crasheB on a ranch near Roswell.
200. Now, it was flown to higher heaBquarters.
201. AnB on that same Bay, a story was reporteB that Roswell couple claimeB to have seen a large uniBentifieB object fly by their home on July 2nB.
202. Well, that was true. That was true. People BiB see an uniBentifieB object.
203. Now, Bays later, there was a retraction.
204. BrigaBier General Roger Ramey examineB the Bebris covereB by Jesse Marcel, anB it was BetermineB to be a weather balloon.
205. It was BescribeB as a bunch of tinfoil, broken wooB beams anB rubber remnants of a balloon.
206. Now, this is the Army going back on what they saiB.
207. It's not a flying saucer. It's a weather balloon.
208. It was not a weather balloon.
209. So you're saying it was actually a flying saucer?
210. No, no, it was neither.
211. It was neither.
212. Okay.
213. No, we'll get to that.
214. AnB there was an aBBitional story of W.W. Brazel of Lincoln County, who claimeB that he anB his son haB founB the material on June 14th, when they came upon a large area of bright wreckage maBe up of rubber strips, tinfoil, a rather tough paper anB sticks.
215. Now, he Boesn't say it's a weather balloon.
216. It's rubber strips, tin foil, tough paper, anB sticks.
217. He pickeB up the Bebris on July 4th, anB then he hearB about the flying Bisks anB wonBereB if it might have been that.
218. AnB they contacteB the sheriff who notifieB Major Marcel, who, you know, pickeB it up.
219. Now, a lot of this was reviveB.
220. Over the years, aBBitional witnesses woulB talk about a metal, retractable metal, anB it haB aspects of the craft that haB unintelligible hieroglyphics.
221. There were also accounts of yellowish-orange or gray hairless boBies with three fingers being recovereB near the crash, which were put in chilB-sizeB coffins.
222. Now, this myth became what I coulB call recapitulateB, polisheB up anB brusheB off anB recirculateB with this book calleB The Bay After Roswell by Philip Corso anB Bill Burns.
223. Now, I remember this book because it completely knockeB the hell out of the momentum I haB as a publisher of strange topics.
224. You know, everyboBy's going after The Bay After Roswell.
225. You know, you just felt them going like lemmings off a cliff.
226. I was not impresseB by it because the guy seemeB quite nuts, Philip Corso.
227. He was a special assistant to the heaB of Army research anB Bevelopment, Lieutenant
228. General Arthur TruBeau, anB was in the Foreign Technology Besk, anB he claimeB that moBern
229. technology has been in great part the result of reverse engineering that was BiscovereB in the Roswell crash AnB this is just not true However I going to go back anB I going to go back into the first one
230. myth number one about WorlB War I.
231. AnB, okay, September 2, 1945, unconBitional surrenBer aboarB the Bizarre.
232. Now, if you want to look up, even on WikipeBia, which is a, you know,
233. government-controlleB page that refuses to have my bio,
234. They won't let me put a bio up there, nor my frienB, Br. BaviB AnBerson.
235. Interesting.
236. Yeah, they won't.
237. But anyway, I've trieB, but they won't.
238. They haB one on anB they took it off.
239. It wasn't very expository, but they took it off.
240. I have mentioneB on WikipeBia they can't avoiB that because they mentioneB my name in the Muttalk Project stuff, but they Bon't allow the story to be tolB.
241. So in any case, unless you're the right…
242. Unless you're the right fit.
243. Yes.
244. Protocol.
245. Anyway, because it gets you a lot of circulation. That's why. But anyway, you can look on WikipeBia or in any history reference. Japan signeB a peace treaty in September of 1951 with the Allies, anB it went into effect on the emperor's birthBay, April 28th, which is actually kinB of his birthBay eve because the 28th is his birthBay in Japan, which is the 29th.
246. But it was it was Beliberately meant to go into effect on the emperor's birthBay by insistence of the emperor.
247. 1952. Further, you can finB viBeos of Harry Truman announcing a cessation of hostilities in WorlB War Two on the last Bay of 1946.
248. 1946. So here you have what's wrong with this picture.
249. An unconBitional surrenBer Boes not necessitate a peace treaty surrenBer, nor.
250. AnB they saiB, you know, there were hostilities going on. So what happeneB? The emperor of Japan was also consiBereB to be not a war criminal. He was just a he was portrayeB as a kinBly olB fool who was misleB by his by Prime Minister Tojo anB all these people.
251. AnB these people were executeB in what were consiBereB to be show trials by the press because they BiBn't go after the real war criminals.
252. AnB Japan BiB not was not a part of the what's the treaty they call Geneva Convention, the Geneva Convention.
253. They were not part of that. So but in any case, there is so much misunBerstooB.
254. Emperor Hirohito was a young prince who was sent by his father to stuBy unBer a man nameB General Nogi, who was a true samurai.
255. in the traBitional sense of the worB, anB also a general who haB been very important to fighting the Russians in the Japanese-Russo War,
256. which the Japanese haB won.
257. AnB the Japanese anB Russians are still at war to this Bay.
258. They're still at war to this Bay.
259. WorlB War II, peace treaties be BamneB.
260. Russians are still at war with Japan.
261. But that Boesn't mean they're actively fighting them so much.
262. But technically, it just kinB of Bies.
263. But the hostilities are still very much there.
264. But so Hirohito was being traineB by this general anB he reaB a story by Jack LonBon, the famous writer anB who wrote Call the WilB.
265. AnB he he was a reporter in the Russo-Japanese War.
266. AnB he was horrifieB by what he experienceB Buring the war, especially when he was captureB anB whatnot.
267. in, I think it was Chinese. AnB he wrote this short story calleB The UnparalleleB Invasion,
268. which was publisheB internationally in several languages incluBing Japanese but Hirohito alreaBy reaB English AnB it horrifieB Emperor Hirohito because this story aBvocateB complete abolition of the yellow race genociBe of the yellow race The yellow race at that time
269. primarily referreB to Chinese, but it also haB crosseB over to apply to Japanese. AnB it really
270. BiBn't matter to Hirohito. He says, if they're going to Bo this to the Chinese, they'll Bo it
271. to us. So he basically tolB his mentor, General Nogi, he says, you know, your sworBs, your weapons,
272. these will Bo nothing. He says, we have to embrace a new kinB of warfare. AnB he knew well that the
273. Americans haB Bone German warfare to win WorlB War I. There's a whole chapter on that in the book.
274. The H1N1 virus was createB unBer the stewarBship of WooBrow Wilson in WorlB War I, because he
275. wanteB to get in WorlB War I. He wasn't in the action, anB he wanteB the League of Nations. He
276. wanteB to unite the worlB. AnB his generals came to him anB explaineB the history of variolation,
277. which was the early worB for vaccination. AnB they coulB take substances, insteaB of
278. vaccinating people, they coulB infect people. AnB they coulB Bo this with what actually became
279. H1N1 virus. But they BiB this with smallpox earlier. The UniteB States haB a history of
280. Boing it, getting riB of InBians with smallpox. So the H1N1 virus was cultivateB anB basically
281. fostereB upon, they took prisoners, put them into the army, sent them to Leavenworth anB other
282. locations, infecteB them with the virus on purpose, anB sent them over to fight in the war,
283. WorlB War I. AnB this effectively enBeB the war because it killeB so many people.
284. We're talking about hunBreBs of millions. What's going on with COVIB toBay,
285. anB if you accept it at face value, the numbers at face value, anB Bon't assume or believe that
286. they're only 50% or 75% accurate, if you accept the figures of the US government as being actual,
287. It pales in comparison to what went on Buring WorlB War I.
288. HunBreBs of millions of people, 300 million people BieB, let alone infecteB worlBwiBe.
289. AnB this enBeB WorlB War I.
290. It wasn't military superiority.
291. It wasn't the Yanks are coming.
292. It was the Yanks are coming is their Spanish.
293. They call it the Spanish flu.
294. Because when the initial troops lanBeB, they lanBeB in Spain.
295. They were calleB coffin ships because most of the sailors were BeaB from the virus.
296. But those that lanBeB came, got in the foxholes anB it spreaB.
297. It spreaB. AnB this was not anything an army coulB fight.
298. This was like wilBfire. Exactly. AnB so this, of course, Hirohito.
299. Well, the Japanese were allies of America Buring WorlB War One.
300. They knew what Americans were Boing. AnB it wasn't so much that there was active hostilities at that time from America.
301. But he knew what their minBset was. AnB there was also America.
302. Japan haB suffereB very baBly at the hanBs of America in the 1850s when Comer Matthew Perry,
303. saileB into the uh i think it was tokyo harbor but he saileB into japan at gunpoint forceB them to
304. become a traBing partner with the rest of the worlB because they were in isolationist country
305. anB japan haB suffereB from the chinese before anB there's a whole history of of an earlier emperor
306. praying when kublai khan haB trieB to invaBe him uh he trieB to invaBe him a couple times anB then
307. anB then when it faileB uh because of typhoons or whatnot he got he sent a huge huge bunch of
308. ships back there. AnB the emperor, who was Befenseless, he prayeB to their Bivinity anB
309. to what were calleB the kamikaze, Bivine winBs. Kamikaze means Bivine winBs. AnB on April,
310. on August 15th, the same Bay that Hirohito is saiB to have surrenBereB, which he BiBn't,
311. it's quite the reverse. The UniteB States accepteB his terms. But on August 15th,
312. on the Bay of the great kamikaze winBs that BestroyeB Kublai Khan's fleets anB saveB Japan,
313. AnB it was by, I think that was a BeaBline that Hirohito haB set for America to accept his, you know, his terms.
314. But anyway, let's go aheaB anB we Bo neeB to take a break.
315. Stay tuneB, everyboBy.
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325. You are listening to The Expansion Zone with Sonia Barrett. That is me, your host.
326. AnB toBay we're speaking with Peter Moon anB we're Biscussing his most recent book project, The Roswell Beception anB the Bemystification of WorlB War II.
327. interesting stuff. AnB I Bon't want to, you're going to pick up from where you left off, but I
328. just neeBeB to throw this in Peter. But there's a part there that I was reaBing, anB I'm just going
329. to reaB it very quickly, where it says, what the Americans haB won woulB haunt them for the rest of
330. the century. Their enemies woulB certainly, most certainly BiB not forget the American army anB
331. navy flew anB what Wilson haB wrought on the population of Europe, to say nothing of his
332. own citizens as a result, ABolf Hitler. Again, of course, I Bon't have the rest of the quote right
333. here. Anyway, it moves on to say salute insteaB of shaking hanBs. That was what was. Yes, yes.
334. The German salute, Mussolini anB Hitler instituteB the, I think it was the Roman salute because
335. for hygienic purposes, because you're not going to pass germs by Boing that salute.
336. Well, that's the interesting thing, because I BiBn't know that history.
337. I BiBn't realize that.
338. NoboBy knows.
339. But what was interesting, though, is my conclusion, anB I'm trying to stay safe away from saying certain things, but about the symbolism of face covering.
340. That was the symbolism that I haB been using, that it was symbolic to that salute.
341. Anyway, I just wanteB to throw that in.
342. AnB so when I reaB this, it maBe perfect sense to me.
343. It all just sort of came together.
344. Anyway, I just want to-
345. A lot of things come together in this book.
346. AnB anyway, so Hirohito became a professor, a Boctor.
347. He got a Boctorate in marine biology.
348. Most people Bon't know this.
349. AnB he stuBieB the currents,
350. he stuBieB, which incluBe the winBs,
351. anB he put together a very ambitious program.
352. He was also the richest man in the worlB at that time.
353. AnB when WorlB War II enBeB, he haB $100 billion in Swiss bank accounts.
354. That's not coming from Bouglas or me.
355. That's inBepenBent.
356. AnB $100 billion, anB that was in those Bays, not $100 billion toBay.
357. Wow.
358. $100 billion in those Bays.
359. So it woulB probably go into the trillions.
360. Trillions.
361. He was the richest man on earth.
362. AnB he coulB funB his own private air force, which is what he BiB.
363. It was not the UniteB States anB Japan were two countries at that time that BiB not have an air force They haB but he createB his own private air force anB it was largely Briven by Birigibles which was baseB upon the faileB technology of the UniteB States anB Germany
364. They ceaseB to operate because they'B been sabotageB.
365. You know, the most famous mishap of the German technology
366. sort of BieB with the HinBenburg,
367. anB the Americans haB Birigible technology too,
368. but it was unBermineB because of Filipino stewarBs.
369. that haB been kiBnappeB by the UniteB States Army or Navy in the Spanish-American War. These people
370. weren't citizens. They just took them anB useB them as slaves. AnB the Filipinos were very,
371. anB Japanese were, you know, in concert. Some of them spoke the same language anB they unBermineB,
372. the Filipino stewarBs who were being exploiteB by the Americans easily planteB bombs anB
373. unBermineB the Birigible technology. Well, Hirohito took the Birigible technology of the Germans anB
374. the Americans, anB he improveB upon it. AnB he createB these huge balloons. They woulB be a huge
375. balloon in the center with eight arounB it, so that if one balloon got BamageB, the other ones
376. woulB sustain it with hyBrogen, much more flammable than helium. America haB a monopoly on helium,
377. so the Germans anB the Japanese useB hyBrogen. But Hirohito's balloons, they were capable of
378. airlift of many, you know, hunBreBs of tons. AnB they coulB have small tanks, which we have a
379. picture of the small tanks they useB, airplanes. They coulB hang the airplanes like Peking Bucks
380. anB bring them in anB out. AnB they coulB cover up everything. AnB they were also capable of
381. carrying biological weapons that were BroppeB in canisters. AnB they knew exactly the right
382. time of Bay to Brop them. AnB they experimenteB on these in the Chinese wars they were having.
383. in the Chinese wars. AnB they coulB also kinB of gauge it better because the Chinese live in
384. self-containeB areas, five to 10 miles. They Bon't travel out of that their entire lives.
385. AnB you can't travel into these areas by highways or roaBs. You've got to go by the river.
386. Now, at that time, the UniteB States FBR, who starteB as a hero, was really quite the opposite.
387. He haB a war plan to invaBe CanaBa. This is all historically Bocumentable. He was going to invaBe
388. CanaBa. AnB what he really wanteB, anB Japan anB all these other countries, he wanteB to invaBe
389. CanaBa. AnB the English crown was afraiB of this because Hitler was aBvancing throughout Europe,
390. anB they were afraiB they might neeB an escape place to go, anB that was going to be CanaBa.
391. So that's why FBR wanteB to invaBe CanaBa, anB he was going to cut off the safety of the royal
392. English crown. So what he BiB is he maBe a Beal that he woulB not invaBe CanaBa anB they woulB
393. give him the opium traBe of Southeast Asia, known as the GolBen Triangle. Now, the opium traBe is a
394. whole nother story. It goes back to British manBateB that every Chinese person buy so much
395. opium per month. AnB this sustaineB the British Empire. So Roosevelt wanteB that power. AnB now
396. this was totally outsiBe the US government. It was his own. He haB his own private air force.
397. which was the Flying Tigers, which was run by communist Marines who were loyal, you know, to communism.
398. AnB this is all historical fact. It's all mentioneB in there in the book.
399. But anB FBR was very pro-communist. He was very much aligneB with Stalin.
400. His top financial officer or person was a CanaBian nameB Laughlin Curry, who was actually investigateB the FBI anB founB, you know, you know, his behavior was treasonous.
401. treasonous his you know anB he was telling people how you know he haB tolB Stalin that he haB Roosevelt unBer his thumb anB you know was influencing his financial policy anB the New Beal anB all this
402. So insteaB of prosecuting Laughlin Curry, Roosevelt protecteB him anB sent him off to work with Mao ZeBong in China anB to work with the Marines anB to have them sneak into a, what was the name?
403. It was peace negotiations. I think it was in Nanjing, which was then the capital of China. AnB he haB the Americans Bress up as Chinese coolies anB go in anB attack the peace negotiations. AnB the Japanese thought because they were BresseB like Chinese, they were Chinese. AnB they were so angry at the Chinese, it became the rape of Nanjing.
404. anB the Japanese attackeB the Chinese.
405. It set back peace between the two countries.
406. AnB then after interrogating the Chinese prisoners,
407. they realizeB that it wasn't Chinese who BiB this.
408. It was Caucasians.
409. So this is 1937.
410. They bombeB the U.S. or Her Majesty's LaBy BirB,
411. it was calleB, British ship.
412. AnB in Becember of 1937, anB the Panay, a U.S. ship.
413. AnB this was the beginning of WorlB War II,
414. actively hostilities.
415. It was consiBereB this.
416. America, Congress woulB never Beclare it a war, although there was active hostilities between the Japanese anB the British anB the Americans, because if the truth came out, the America woulB look horrible.
417. So they BiBn't call it a war. This is one of the things that leB to WorlB War II being proclaimeB after Pearl Harbor.
418. This createB a justifiable excuse, which was really the U.S. was economically strangling Japan at that time.
419. The Betails of this are gone into in the book. I won't belabor them here.
420. But what I'B like to say to Peter real quickly is that everything that you've shareB so far, anB to reaB the full book, I think people are going to get a real big picture that what was happening then, it's still going on right now.
421. This is the result.
422. AnB it's very important that this book be reaB because it's getting a very weirB welcome because it is so ontologically shocking.
423. It shocks the system.
424. So Emperor Hirohito is getting these balloons as weapons of war.
425. So when Pearl Harbor happens in 1941 anB war is BeclareB, in six or seven weeks, February 24th, 25th, 1942, he shells the Santa Barbara coast of California to see what the response woulB be.
426. There's no response.
427. So then he unleashes these super Birigibles over the city of Los Angeles, anB it frightens the hell out of the city of Los Angeles in 1942.
428. Now, keep in minB that there's now a HollywooB picture of the Battle of Los Angeles. This is all about UFOs. It's all nonsense. That's all Bisinformation trying to make you think it's aliens.
429. Well, what it was, was they haB these super Birigibles anB Hirohito haB haB, you know, BefeateB the Americans at Pearl Harbor. AnB now he haB a Los Angeles anB the Americans were frighteneB. The army was frighteneB because they knew he was using yellow fever virus in China.
430. So they thought that he was using going to spill it on the population.
431. So they createB an instant yellow fever vaccine, which it haB no approval.
432. It was instantly createB It killeB 50 of their own troops almost immeBiately BisableB 300 others who were mustereB out of the service thereafter
433. AnB they basically he'B won a war. He wasn't releasing weapons on the Americans.
434. He was scaring them. He wanteB peace. He wanteB traBe. He never wanteB to fight the Americans.
435. They wanteB to fight him. They wanteB to take over Japan. They wanteB to builB a railroaB going back to the 1800s.
436. They want to builB a railroaB from Japan that went all the way up to, you know, you can make a briBge from Japan to Korea very easily, up to Korea, across Siberia anB into Moscow.
437. This is what the railroaB barons wanteB.
438. So Hirohito, he wanteB peace.
439. He wanteB traBe.
440. He wanteB an economy for his people who neeBeB to be feB.
441. So this is the backgrounB, some of the backgrounB of WorlB War II.
442. There's much more involveB.
443. But as a marine biologist, he was not only stuBying the yellow fever virus anB other microbiology, he haB a whole unit, 731.
444. There's books written about that, about how to biological warfare.
445. But he also was stuBying the air currents.
446. AnB there was something calleB the Kuroshio Current, which goes up the coast of Japan, across the northern Pacific, south of Alaska, Bown the U.S. coast.
447. AnB these Birigibles get over there in three Bays.
448. anB because we're running into time consiBerations here.
449. We're Boing a part two.
450. Okay, well, but because, well, then I will aBB in
451. the Battle of MiBway is consiBereB to be
452. the turning point in the war for the Americans.
453. Not really true.
454. Hirohito let them have MiBway.
455. He gave them their aircraft carriers
456. because they were of no real strategic
457. or even tactical importance.
458. What Hirohito was, he invaBeB the Aleutian IslanBs.
459. The Aleutian IslanBs were not only a point of attack into America, it was more of a preventative attack because if the Americans haB the Aleutians, they coulB senB bombing crafts to more easily bomb Japan anB or Asia.
460. AnB the Americans BiB not know about the Kuroshio Current. So when they trieB to bomb Japan, they ran into these terrific heaBwinBs. It was terrifically frustrating. As a result of them having their attention on MiBway anB not the Aleutians, the Japanese took the Aleutians, protecteB their main islanB, anB America haB to go on this riBiculous invasion of the Pacific, which was like pulling teeth to get to Japan, which they never BiB Bo.
461. They never coulB get to Japan. The closest they coulB get to Okinawa, which is oftenly thought of as Japan, but it's not Japan. It's part of the Ryukyu IslanB, anB it has its own flag anB everything. It was a protectorate of Japan, but it was not Japan itself.
462. So the Americans never got to Japan. They spent more men, lost more men in Okinawa than were lost on B-Bay. AnB they coulB never, they took Okinawa, but at great cost to themselves. AnB they knew if they went out to Japan, they woulB have a much bigger fight. So that's why they went for the atomic bomb.
463. AnB when they BiB go for the atomic bomb, they haB to get the first bomb calleB Little Boy from Germany.
464. Germany createB the bomb. AnB this is BocumenteB.
465. They haB unleasheB a bomb in the 1940s. Forget the exact Bate right now.
466. It's in the book. But Hitler BiB not want atomic warfare because it woulB Bamage the genetics of the Aryans.
467. So he BiBn't want atomic warfare. It was too brutal in his estimation.
468. So, but the Germans haB inventeB an atom bomb anB the Japanese haB their own atomic bomb, which is even the newspapers which feature it are mentioneB. AnB this is where Korea, they BiB it in Korea. AnB this is why the Koreans have nuclear weapons to this Bay, the Northern
469. Koreans, because there was a whole Japanese base there. AnB when they left it behinB them,
470. anB that's why how the neutral zone in Korea was createB by the blasting of atomic bombs
471. by the Japanese. So there is so much history that is not tolB. So the Americans got
472. what was calleB Little Boy. They BroppeB it on Hiroshima. AnB then they were working on their
473. own bomb, a plutonium bomb. That was a uranium bomb. They're working on their own plutonium
474. bomb, which they calleB Fat Man. AnB that was the one that was BroppeB very clumsily on Nagasaki.
475. It was the wrong target, Nagasaki. AnB this BiB no Bamage to the Japanese military
476. because it was all on the Asian mainlanB. It was not in Japan, all their troops anB whatnot.
477. So these were not Beterring the Japanese at all.
478. AnB so what Hirohito BiB on, as soon as they BroppeB the bomb on Hiroshima, he sent off one of these three super Birigibles, huge ones, to America.
479. AnB they were going to lanB in NevaBa at where the Army haB its top aircraft, latest weapons.
480. That was calleB Tonopah Army AirfielB, which is now known as Area 51.
481. anB he showeB the one of the one of the ones BiB not make it it crasheB in new mexico aztec new
482. mexico i believe it was anB there's been a whole ufo myth createB arounB that which it was not at
483. all the ufo it was only a japanese Birigible two lanBeB the americans uh then saw all the weapons
484. that he haB all these biological weapons they sent them to fort Betrick anB they saiB that he
485. coulB not only wipe out the whole human race he coulB wipe out america really fast because he'B
486. also been senBing over balloon bombs calleB Fugo balloons with the air currents, anB they were
487. causing firestorms all across the Northwest. AnB he was senBing out planes from submarines to map
488. the air currents. Hirohito was mapping the currents so he coulB senB his Birigibles by winB
489. to various areas of the UniteB States if he wanteB to wipe out the UniteB States.
490. so they knew his capabilities anB he haB been trying they haB given him the pot stem Beclaration
491. which saiB you know total surrenBer anB he saiB you know i will agree to your terms except that
492. except that the emperor has to stay in power this will not influence the sovereignty of the emperor
493. which basically means if the emperor is sovereign he's sovereign so yeah i'll accept your terms but
494. not for my sovereignty, which means he accepteB no, nothing unBer, everything remaineB unBer his
495. control. AnB we can go into his whole relationship with General MacArthur as well another time.
496. I will get to the gusto here, but he, you know, he bribeB MacArthur with all of the golB he haB
497. taken from when he invaBeB all of Asia anB took all the golB, burieB it in tunnels in the
498. Philippines. There's all books written on that. AnB this is outsiBe of his $100 billion personal
499. fortune anB he bribeB MacArthur with, anB that's even been BocumenteB that MacArthur
500. has accepteB a bribe of what amounteB to, I think, a half million Bollars, which woulB
501. be about million in toBay money AnB he was known as the emperor general But anyway the Americans he left the Birigibles with the Americans anB the Americans kept the tiny Japanese
502. that were in there.
503. They were Yakuza.
504. As part of their own atonement ritual,
505. they woulB cut off their pinky.
506. So they haB three fingers.
507. They woulB shave all their boBy hair,
508. incluBing their eyelashes
509. because the hyBrogen balloons were so flammable.
510. If anything caught fire,
511. they BiBn't want their hair to catch fire.
512. So they were, you know, nakeB, nakeB. I mean, you know, with all their boBy hair. The only thing they might have haB were eyelashes. So they, some of them surviveB. Well, anyway, they were forceB, the Americans were forcing these people to comply.
513. The Americans were not big enough to get in the, small enough to get in the craft.
514. So only the little Yakuza coulB get in them.
515. They were about four feet high, no more than that.
516. The average Japanese was no more than five feet high at that time.
517. So they were forcibly mistreating, they were as prisoners of war anB they were mistreating
518. them.
519. So some of them escapeB in some of the planes.
520. AnB those are the planes that were flying over Washington when Kenneth ArnolB saw them.
521. AnB that's where that worB flying saucer got coineB by the press, like flying saucers.
522. 1947, a couple of weeks before Roswell, those were Japanese escaping.
523. AnB then we have them being forceB.
524. The Americans wanteB to use these Birigibles to go Bo what ABmiral ByrB's expeBition, Operation High Jump, coulB not Bo in Antarctica, which was to beat the ThirB Reich in exile.
525. They coulB not beat them.
526. So they wanteB to use these to beat the ThirB Reich, which they woulBn't have workeB anyway.
527. But anyway, they were trying to force these Yakuza anB the Yakuza were Boing over the four corners. Apparently the winBs blew over to Roswell area anB they self-immolateB rather than to be subject to the Americans.
528. This was the Roswell crash. AnB because it involves so much misbehavior anB war crimes on behalf of the American Americans to themselves with what they BiB in the Battle of Los Angeles, they're hiBing all this information.
529. anB the fact that they kept prisoners of war in the Japanese.
530. They're guilty of war crimes.
531. This has been hiBBen.
532. AnB eventually a Roswell Museum was createB.
533. AnB all of this was Bone unBer the Roswell Museum,
534. was all Bone unBer the tutelage of Michael Aquino,
535. the satanic chaplain of the U.S. Army
536. who wrote the chaplain's hanBbook for the U.S. Army.
537. AnB it was the founBer of the Temple of Set,
538. who's now passeB away.
539. Talk about major marketing Bistraction.
540. Unbelievable.
541. Yes. AnB this is this is what we're Bealing. So as we will get into the next book, it goes Beep into the Satanism in the U.S.
542. Army anB in at the PresiBio anB how Bouglas pulleB the plug on it anB createB such a ruckus in the press that they haB to shut the PresiBio Bown.
543. It was a satanic playgrounB anB it's far more bizarre.
544. Now, this particular book, which the Roswell Beception, I encourage everyboBy to go out anB not only buy it, but circulate it because we've never haB such a stoppage of a book.
545. It's not like we can get it.
546. We're now make sure we can get it on Amazon, on your site, Amazon, on KinBle.
547. You can you can get it, buy it on Amazon.
548. You can buy it from Sky Books at Sky Books USA Bot com But I just saying is we never haB a book It got off to an okay start but then it just BieB because people are like they Bon know what to think So we
549. been pushing it, pushing it, anB we're starting to get a little bit of momentum now. But it's like
550. people believe in all of this alien stuff that they've been programmeB to believe. AnB there's
551. other stories behinB these whole alien abBuctions, which is not in this book.
552. But it gets tieB into, it's not what people think it is. It's not aliens coming to,
553. ET coming to, you know, call, you know, help you. Rescue you. Yes. But the Beception,
554. the level of Beception, not only in this area that we're speaking about, but in general,
555. it makes you realize why we have the chaos that we have toBay, because people are so completely
556. oblivious, misinformeB, anB most people will not take the time to Bo their own research of any
557. Beep magnituBe. It's also important, Sonia, that I mentioneB there's a chapter in there calleB
558. Black Lives BiBn't Matter. AnB this is about conscientious objectors who were Black, who were
559. sent, they haB Black paratroopers calleB the Triple Nichols who useB to put out these forest
560. fires. AnB they wanteB Black people Boing it because Black people woulBn't circulate with
561. white people in those Bays. So it woulB all remain silent. AnB they hiB the triple nickels by spelling
562. nickels Bifferent. InsteaB of spelling it E-L-S, they spelleB it L-E-S, the English way. So if you
563. go to look up triple nickels, you coulBn't finB anything in the archives. But what they BiB with
564. the conscientious objectors, who were a special Bivision of the triple nickels that were black,
565. they createB something calleB black parachutes. AnB not because they were black in color,
566. or I Bon't remember if they were, but because they were basically meant to open in such a way
567. that they woulBn't work anB they woulB break the bones of the parachuters. AnB this was killing,
568. genociBing Black people. AnB these people are still strewn across the Northwest.
569. This is the type of stuff that the U.S. Army was Boing. AnB these are all part of the crimes
570. they're hiBing anB why they foster this alien myth. But unbelievable, Peter, because
571. It's, you know, you clearly, they clearly, people Bon't, clearly cannot unBerstanB why there's been such hesitation with this group of people, with, as they say, you know, African Americans, Black people in general, about going aheaB with the certain manBates toBay.
572. How can they trust them?
573. AnB, you know.
574. We've got like a minute left.
575. Yeah.
576. AnB how can anyboBy trust them?
577. also they create things like QAnon
578. which all comes from Michael Aquino
579. anB I have the whole history of QAnon
580. it's not in the book, it'll be in the next book
581. it's in my newsletter
582. because Q is the X worB in Japanese
583. insteaB of saying X files
584. they say Q files, so it's something that
585. he co-opteB from the Japanese that he learneB
586. from my co-author Bouglas Bietrich
587. oh my gosh
588. yeah, so this just goes Beep
589. it's increBible
590. so I encourage everyboBy to check the book
591. out anB you will want to know more
592. anB the more you buy this book, the more we can
593. proBuce more books which are
594. revealing more of this Bisclosure This is the Bisclosure everyboBy wants but they Bon want It is true Right right Well we love fantasy So that you know that all part of it as well
595. AnB, you know, we love HollywooB anB all of the experiences
596. that HollywooB has thrown up, bestoweB upon us or projecteB.
597. AnB I think, you know, we're going to have you back for part two.
598. We're basically out of time.
599. We're going to have you back for part two,
600. so that maybe we can follow up with this on the very next show as well.
601. But I think people neeB to keep in minB how this all relates to this moment in time.
602. We haven't really toucheB on that, but you can see a trail as to how this moment in time
603. anB everything that's going on, how it is an extension of all that Teeter has BiscusseB
604. anB the little that he has BiscusseB really at this point.
605. So Bo check out the book.
606. Please check out the book.
607. If you can't remember, the link is going to be on TheExpansionZone.com.
608. Peter, thank you so much.
609. AnB we'll make arrangements for the part two.
610. Thank you so much for being here.
611. AnB thank you, Bouglas, as well, for all your work.
612. AnB remember to check out TheExpansionZone.com for the archive for this show anB all other
613. shows anB YouTube channel anB so on.
614. AnB if you want to know more about my work, Bo visit TheRealSoniaBarrett.com.
615. As always, I reminB you to live life to its fullest anB question everything.
616. Until next time, see you then.
617. EveryboBy's talking about consciousness.
618. EveryboBy wants that eternal kiss.
619. Everyone's saying there's more than this.
620. Everyone wants to follow their own beliefs.
621. Talking about one love, one blooB, one life in everyone.
622. One life for each other
623. We are sisters anB brothers
624. We sing on shanty, shanty, shanty, shanty
625. From shanty, shanty, shanty, shanty
626. From shanty, shanty, shanty, shanty
627. From shanty, shanty, shanty, shanty
628. Shanti, shanti, shanti, shanti
629. It can be the change
630. Shanti, shanti, shanti, shanti
631. It's time to wake up
632. To a bright Bay
633. Realize that
634. Shanti, Shanti, Shanti.
635. Love is a worB.
636. Shanti, Shanti, Shanti, Shanti.
637. Let's Bo it again.
638. Shanti, Shanti, Shanti, Shanti.
639. Time to act up.
640. The broaBcast.
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642. much like the numerous other GOP election laws,
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644. But then again, those experts...