WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:01.939 I'm in the studio 2 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:04.339 with Reyes Lopez Teherina, 3 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:07.779 who is head of the organization 4 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:08.980 called 5 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:11.939 Federal Alliance of Free City States. 6 00:00:13.365 --> 00:00:16.265 Now that is more commonly known, I believe, 7 00:00:16.804 --> 00:00:17.704 as the 8 00:00:19.204 --> 00:00:19.704 North 9 00:00:20.005 --> 00:00:20.664 New Mexico 10 00:00:21.445 --> 00:00:22.265 six county 11 00:00:23.765 --> 00:00:24.664 land grant, 12 00:00:25.445 --> 00:00:25.945 movement, 13 00:00:26.324 --> 00:00:27.864 which you have headed. 14 00:00:28.339 --> 00:00:28.839 Right. 15 00:00:30.579 --> 00:00:32.039 I would like to begin 16 00:00:33.299 --> 00:00:35.719 where we began when you came into my office. 17 00:00:37.539 --> 00:00:39.880 Last night, yesterday evening, 18 00:00:40.515 --> 00:00:44.375 early, we had the news of Martin Luther King's assassination. 19 00:00:45.875 --> 00:00:48.375 This morning, just as you walked into my office, 20 00:00:48.835 --> 00:00:50.774 some kind of a disturbance, 21 00:00:52.674 --> 00:00:54.774 involving police cars and 22 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:56.700 both black and white, 23 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:01.340 obviously high school students, was taking place 24 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:04.540 under the windows of KPFA's office, 25 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:06.620 and I said 26 00:01:08.165 --> 00:01:09.465 God help us all, 27 00:01:10.884 --> 00:01:12.504 and I liked your reply. 28 00:01:13.604 --> 00:01:16.104 I said that God could not help us 29 00:01:16.724 --> 00:01:18.084 any longer. He has, 30 00:01:18.884 --> 00:01:23.064 run out of patience, and we have mocked him too many times. 31 00:01:24.219 --> 00:01:26.959 We have we got him fed up, and I think 32 00:01:27.819 --> 00:01:33.439 that we are running out of time, and the patience of God is also running out. 33 00:01:33.819 --> 00:01:35.920 I don't think that we have left 34 00:01:36.780 --> 00:01:38.255 him any alternative, 35 00:01:38.715 --> 00:01:40.334 and he chose to help us. 36 00:01:40.875 --> 00:01:43.855 He has been trying to help us for hundreds and thousands of years, 37 00:01:44.395 --> 00:01:48.974 and we have been mocking and mocking his true justice, his true democracy 38 00:01:50.430 --> 00:01:51.329 by destroying 39 00:01:51.950 --> 00:01:52.450 mankind 40 00:01:53.230 --> 00:01:53.969 and establishing 41 00:01:54.270 --> 00:01:55.730 our own kind of democracy. 42 00:01:56.510 --> 00:01:59.170 So that's why I feel that there's there's no way. 43 00:01:59.709 --> 00:02:00.530 This is a 44 00:02:01.230 --> 00:02:04.064 typical day, a typical act, the assassination, 45 00:02:04.604 --> 00:02:05.745 cold blooded murder 46 00:02:06.765 --> 00:02:08.625 of of, the symbol 47 00:02:09.004 --> 00:02:09.824 of peace 48 00:02:10.685 --> 00:02:11.185 and 49 00:02:11.805 --> 00:02:12.705 and the representation 50 00:02:13.164 --> 00:02:18.379 of the rights of the poor through a meek and wise man, Doctor. King. 51 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:21.580 The government, I feel, is responsible 52 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:22.699 by 53 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:23.500 encouraging, 54 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:25.259 by 55 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:27.500 not developing 56 00:02:28.384 --> 00:02:30.884 ways for the poor, ways for the oppressed, 57 00:02:31.344 --> 00:02:34.724 only ways and means for the bankers, for the powerful, 58 00:02:35.264 --> 00:02:36.164 for the whites. 59 00:02:37.584 --> 00:02:42.724 And that is why I feel that, the federal government of United States, it's pushing 60 00:02:43.810 --> 00:02:45.349 its own people to destruction, 61 00:02:46.050 --> 00:02:47.590 to the end of this empire. 62 00:02:49.409 --> 00:02:53.750 You were dealing, I believe, with doctor Martin Luther King about the proposed 63 00:02:54.050 --> 00:02:55.510 March on Washington, 64 00:02:56.864 --> 00:03:00.324 which was to take place on the twenty sixth of this month. 65 00:03:00.625 --> 00:03:03.764 Could you tell us something about what those plans were? 66 00:03:04.144 --> 00:03:05.525 In August 9 67 00:03:05.985 --> 00:03:07.995 August 68 00:03:07.995 --> 00:03:10.004 26, 69 00:03:10.144 --> 00:03:12.084 I approached Martin Luther King 70 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:13.819 in the 71 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:16.620 airport of Chicago 72 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.659 when they had this new politics convention. 73 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:21.580 And I suggested 74 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:22.620 to him 75 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.419 a coalition between the brown people, 76 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:26.539 the 77 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:27.500 black people, 78 00:03:28.135 --> 00:03:30.555 also the Indians and poor whites. 79 00:03:31.175 --> 00:03:33.754 He said it was it was high time. 80 00:03:34.855 --> 00:03:36.075 And, I 81 00:03:36.534 --> 00:03:38.875 that was all. I didn't heard from him until 82 00:03:39.814 --> 00:03:40.715 this year. 83 00:03:41.335 --> 00:03:42.395 I think it was, 84 00:03:44.310 --> 00:03:44.810 February, 85 00:03:46.469 --> 00:03:48.090 where he invited me 86 00:03:48.870 --> 00:03:50.650 to come to Atlanta, Georgia, 87 00:03:53.030 --> 00:03:54.170 March 14. 88 00:03:54.710 --> 00:03:56.969 I arrived in Atlanta, Georgia 89 00:03:57.444 --> 00:04:00.344 and some 25 leaders of other organizations 90 00:04:00.724 --> 00:04:01.224 of 91 00:04:01.764 --> 00:04:02.745 the brown people, 92 00:04:03.125 --> 00:04:06.745 also white people, Indian people, and black people. 93 00:04:07.284 --> 00:04:08.425 It was there that 94 00:04:09.284 --> 00:04:13.224 a coalition was formed. It was there that Doctor. King talked to us. 95 00:04:13.819 --> 00:04:14.719 It was there 96 00:04:15.659 --> 00:04:17.680 that Doctor. King reminded and 97 00:04:18.300 --> 00:04:21.120 pointed out to the people in that 98 00:04:22.379 --> 00:04:27.120 Pachell's Hotel in Atlanta, Georgia that I had suggested to him the idea 99 00:04:27.584 --> 00:04:28.084 and 100 00:04:28.384 --> 00:04:31.045 that he had embraced it and it was high time. 101 00:04:31.985 --> 00:04:34.725 A steering committee was formed out of the 102 00:04:35.105 --> 00:04:36.725 various races and groups 103 00:04:37.345 --> 00:04:38.884 to steer and direct 104 00:04:39.745 --> 00:04:40.564 the coordination, 105 00:04:41.024 --> 00:04:45.769 the plans on the Washington March that is coming April 106 00:04:45.769 --> 00:04:46.899 22, 107 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.860 and that will escalate up to June, probably June 15. 108 00:04:53.199 --> 00:05:06.435 The committee will begin will meet in Washington on the March 22. Right. Will be on the twenty sixth. Is that it? Yes. The steering committee and about 100 leaders will visit various offices of the 109 00:05:06.975 --> 00:05:07.475 government 110 00:05:07.935 --> 00:05:08.435 departments 111 00:05:09.180 --> 00:05:09.920 and Congress. 112 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:14.000 And then after that, 3,000 people will arrive 113 00:05:15.019 --> 00:05:15.519 to 114 00:05:18.139 --> 00:05:19.360 stay in the capital. 115 00:05:20.220 --> 00:05:21.519 And then after that, 116 00:05:22.105 --> 00:05:22.845 people will 117 00:05:23.145 --> 00:05:25.085 start arriving according to the plans 118 00:05:25.464 --> 00:05:29.404 by thousands from all over The United States. And this was to go on 119 00:05:29.705 --> 00:05:32.444 and build and build. Escalate, yes. 120 00:05:33.944 --> 00:05:37.004 Yes. This is one of the greatest plans, highlight 121 00:05:38.449 --> 00:05:38.949 the 122 00:05:39.650 --> 00:05:40.150 perfection 123 00:05:40.850 --> 00:05:41.330 and the 124 00:05:42.610 --> 00:05:48.069 I don't know how to put it in this second language of mine, but it was the greatest of 125 00:05:48.449 --> 00:05:53.595 the plans that Martin Luther King had come out with. It was, something fantastic, 126 00:05:54.454 --> 00:05:54.954 beautiful, 127 00:05:55.814 --> 00:05:57.514 and, it will be, 128 00:05:57.975 --> 00:05:58.954 I have no doubts, 129 00:05:59.254 --> 00:05:59.754 unless, 130 00:06:01.495 --> 00:06:02.154 the committee, 131 00:06:03.334 --> 00:06:04.634 changed the whole plan. 132 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:08.620 But I understand I have, I have contact. 133 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.279 I was called from Atlanta, Georgia just last night, and, 134 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.100 up to now, they're going ahead with the march. 135 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.814 And reverend Abernathy, I believe, is taking doctor King's place as, 136 00:06:20.214 --> 00:06:22.235 the head of the Yes. Leadership 137 00:06:22.694 --> 00:06:27.915 conference. Right. Have you had a chance to speak with doctor Abernathy? No. Not yet. 138 00:06:29.254 --> 00:06:29.754 However, 139 00:06:30.134 --> 00:06:31.115 I am invited 140 00:06:31.415 --> 00:06:34.714 personally by reverend Abernathy to speak in his church, 141 00:06:36.009 --> 00:06:39.870 in the very near future, a week or two, and we'll be speaking to him. 142 00:06:40.330 --> 00:06:42.189 And you are expecting then 143 00:06:42.569 --> 00:06:45.050 that from all over the country, the, 144 00:06:45.850 --> 00:06:47.709 minority people will come 145 00:06:48.250 --> 00:06:49.149 to Washington 146 00:06:49.449 --> 00:06:50.910 over a period of time? 147 00:06:51.914 --> 00:06:52.894 Yes. Yes. 148 00:06:54.634 --> 00:06:56.735 The Mexican Americans, Spanish Americans, 149 00:06:58.394 --> 00:07:03.935 are uniting and recruiting people just like the Indians and the black people for this great march. 150 00:07:05.310 --> 00:07:07.889 Well This was called by Martin Luther King, 151 00:07:10.110 --> 00:07:12.770 campaign for the poor, the march for the poor people. 152 00:07:14.670 --> 00:07:16.210 I seem to recall 153 00:07:16.830 --> 00:07:18.865 that when he announced this march 154 00:07:19.725 --> 00:07:21.104 that he said something 155 00:07:21.725 --> 00:07:23.745 about the fact that this would be 156 00:07:24.845 --> 00:07:25.504 the last 157 00:07:26.285 --> 00:07:27.425 massive attempt 158 00:07:28.685 --> 00:07:29.100 to 159 00:07:29.660 --> 00:07:30.160 convince 160 00:07:30.779 --> 00:07:32.959 the government and the American people 161 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:34.240 by nonviolent 162 00:07:34.699 --> 00:07:35.199 means 163 00:07:35.980 --> 00:07:39.040 and that if he if this was not successful, 164 00:07:39.660 --> 00:07:41.040 that he would not try 165 00:07:41.660 --> 00:07:42.160 again. 166 00:07:43.225 --> 00:07:46.045 Right. Yes. His philosophy had changed. His last, 167 00:07:46.824 --> 00:07:47.225 speech 168 00:07:48.105 --> 00:07:49.245 closed door speech, 169 00:07:49.705 --> 00:07:52.605 was playing. He said this march would not be represent 170 00:07:53.145 --> 00:07:55.004 civil rights but human rights. 171 00:07:55.465 --> 00:07:59.279 For the first time, the black people would would ask for land, 172 00:07:59.580 --> 00:08:01.920 would demand for land, 173 00:08:02.300 --> 00:08:04.160 not just jobs, education, 174 00:08:04.860 --> 00:08:05.360 and, 175 00:08:06.139 --> 00:08:06.639 housing, 176 00:08:07.420 --> 00:08:08.319 but land, 177 00:08:08.699 --> 00:08:11.520 just like the people in New Mexico are demanding land. 178 00:08:16.444 --> 00:08:16.944 Well, 179 00:08:19.405 --> 00:08:21.105 perhaps we could talk now 180 00:08:21.485 --> 00:08:24.625 about what you are doing in Northern New Mexico, 181 00:08:26.229 --> 00:08:28.089 how it started. You yourself 182 00:08:31.029 --> 00:08:37.289 were born in Texas, I believe. Yes. In Fall City, Texas, 09/21/1926. 183 00:08:37.865 --> 00:08:38.764 In a field? 184 00:08:39.225 --> 00:08:41.325 In a cotton field. Yes, ma'am. 185 00:08:41.784 --> 00:08:47.164 And you were your mother's fifth child? I was my mother's fifth child. Yes. It was around between 186 00:08:47.625 --> 00:08:50.044 four and 05:00 in the afternoon when 187 00:08:50.504 --> 00:08:57.089 my mother and my father was picking cotton, and, the paints arrived. And it was there that I was born in a cotton 188 00:08:57.470 --> 00:08:57.970 sack, 189 00:08:58.589 --> 00:08:59.569 half full. 190 00:09:00.029 --> 00:09:03.490 See, I have a good memory. I heard you say this once before. 191 00:09:06.495 --> 00:09:07.954 And you grew up where? 192 00:09:08.654 --> 00:09:17.075 I grew up around the San Antonio area up to 14, then I left for the beet and tomato fields in Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan. 193 00:09:18.460 --> 00:09:25.840 At the age of 17, I started in the geological seminary for three years. I graduated, and then I I was a minister for the following 194 00:09:29.259 --> 00:09:30.080 ten years 195 00:09:30.605 --> 00:09:34.784 in Arizona while we were A minister. What kind of a minister? Nondenominational. 196 00:09:35.324 --> 00:09:36.544 Protestant minister. 197 00:09:36.924 --> 00:09:45.184 But your family were agricultural workers, and you yourself worked in the fields as you grew up. That was my trade. Yes. Field work. 198 00:09:45.959 --> 00:09:47.579 When did you go to New Mexico? 199 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:55.659 I decided to I had been there before, but I had refused to join the, land claimants, 200 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:58.919 the people that have been, 201 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:00.120 fighting and, 202 00:10:01.095 --> 00:10:09.595 with the federal government in claiming certain rights under a treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo signed between United States and Mexico, 02/02/1848. 203 00:10:10.134 --> 00:10:12.475 However, picking cotton in the fields of Arizona, 204 00:10:12.934 --> 00:10:14.909 the neighbors burned my house, 205 00:10:15.470 --> 00:10:17.649 and 16 other houses of my, 206 00:10:18.350 --> 00:10:19.250 fellow brothers, 207 00:10:20.669 --> 00:10:25.490 who had who together had decided to build a little village called the Valley Of Peace. 208 00:10:26.269 --> 00:10:26.850 In the 209 00:10:27.394 --> 00:10:31.735 period of two e three years, they burned our house, our church, our store, our school, 210 00:10:32.355 --> 00:10:33.335 17 homes. 211 00:10:34.034 --> 00:10:34.534 After, 212 00:10:35.154 --> 00:10:36.215 Who burned them? 213 00:10:36.595 --> 00:10:37.414 The neighbors, 214 00:10:37.794 --> 00:10:38.855 Anglo Americans, 215 00:10:39.634 --> 00:10:41.254 civilized Anglo Americans. 216 00:10:41.634 --> 00:10:42.134 Why? 217 00:10:42.579 --> 00:10:47.079 Because we refuse to send our children to their school and because they thought we were communists. 218 00:10:48.259 --> 00:10:48.659 And, 219 00:10:49.139 --> 00:10:52.919 Dan Pelton, the FBI agent, was called to investigate. He refused flatly. 220 00:10:53.700 --> 00:10:58.165 Florence Lawrence White, the chair for the Pinal County, was invited 221 00:10:58.865 --> 00:10:59.524 or rather 222 00:10:59.985 --> 00:11:03.925 asked many times to come and investigate the burnings. He refused flatly. 223 00:11:05.024 --> 00:11:11.524 And, it was there and then that we decided to move into New Mexico, and that burning destruction of our property 224 00:11:12.250 --> 00:11:16.110 changed part of my life and the course of my 225 00:11:16.649 --> 00:11:17.149 life. 226 00:11:18.889 --> 00:11:19.049 From, 227 00:11:20.169 --> 00:11:22.110 bible religious teaching to, 228 00:11:23.209 --> 00:11:25.069 civil and international 229 00:11:25.370 --> 00:11:29.805 law and land, which is what is involved in this whole, 230 00:11:31.325 --> 00:11:31.825 struggle. 231 00:11:32.685 --> 00:11:34.545 Now the current 232 00:11:35.644 --> 00:11:37.185 struggle which is 233 00:11:37.565 --> 00:11:38.384 going on, 234 00:11:38.764 --> 00:11:39.990 as I understand it, 235 00:11:40.470 --> 00:11:42.009 concerns six counties 236 00:11:42.470 --> 00:11:42.970 in 237 00:11:43.750 --> 00:11:47.769 Northern New Mexico. Well, really, it concerns the whole state. The land, 238 00:11:48.709 --> 00:11:50.009 we sometimes mention 239 00:11:50.389 --> 00:11:54.570 the five counties because it's where we make up the 90% of the population 240 00:11:55.605 --> 00:11:58.264 and because we are face to face with federal government 241 00:11:59.605 --> 00:12:02.584 and and and because the Department of Agriculture is 242 00:12:02.884 --> 00:12:08.184 there where it's holding most of the land that that the the the president of United States 243 00:12:09.284 --> 00:12:13.120 confiscated outright from the villages. However, the land grants, 350, 244 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:17.379 are scattered throughout the whole state of New Mexico. Yes. But the fight is is concentrated 245 00:12:17.840 --> 00:12:26.019 for the moment is Yes. Around this particular area. Right. But the members of the organization are scattered throughout the state and, also Texas and California. 246 00:12:26.504 --> 00:12:27.404 But the shutdowns, 247 00:12:27.865 --> 00:12:29.805 what we would call them, 248 00:12:30.184 --> 00:12:31.245 and the real 249 00:12:31.705 --> 00:12:33.884 trouble is in the northern part. Yes. 250 00:12:34.665 --> 00:12:37.085 Well, how did it, start? I, 251 00:12:37.945 --> 00:12:40.184 I believe I recall something about, 252 00:12:41.079 --> 00:12:44.779 the fact that at some stage, you decided to take over 253 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:45.980 a village. 254 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:47.419 Well, 255 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:49.579 to understand this 256 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.139 and to inform the public, which has been deprived of the truth through the 257 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:55.820 CBS and, 258 00:12:56.384 --> 00:12:57.125 I mean, 259 00:12:57.425 --> 00:13:00.085 UPI and associated players who have been 260 00:13:02.945 --> 00:13:06.085 distorting the truth. I would like to state that 261 00:13:06.465 --> 00:13:09.045 the people of New Mexico, like the Hopi nation, 262 00:13:09.850 --> 00:13:13.629 have never surrendered to the confiscation of the land, have never surrendered 263 00:13:14.090 --> 00:13:16.350 to the federal government and to their ideas, 264 00:13:18.090 --> 00:13:19.950 who, who are against, 265 00:13:20.490 --> 00:13:21.550 which are against 266 00:13:22.495 --> 00:13:26.434 the 300 year old system and way of livelihood 267 00:13:26.815 --> 00:13:27.634 in New Mexico. 268 00:13:28.894 --> 00:13:35.075 There is a group, there was and there is, called whitecaps in the northern part of New Mexico. 269 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.580 As the government build fences around this common land that belongs to the villages, 270 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.980 during the day, the people cut the fence during the night, 271 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:47.259 on and on for the last one hundred years. 272 00:13:48.454 --> 00:13:49.115 The government 273 00:13:50.054 --> 00:13:59.195 have conspired in 1,000 ways to destroy the life, the culture, the language, the property of these people. He has not succeed because he has not 274 00:13:59.830 --> 00:14:00.330 succeed 275 00:14:01.830 --> 00:14:04.730 in pushing the people out of the Northern part of New Mexico. 276 00:14:05.350 --> 00:14:05.850 So 277 00:14:06.549 --> 00:14:08.149 it was 1957 278 00:14:08.149 --> 00:14:14.250 that I decided when my property was burned that I decided to investigate the claims, the cries of the people. 279 00:14:14.674 --> 00:14:21.894 I discovered that even though there were many Pueblos, many people, they were not united. Every Pueblo was for himself just like the Indian Pueblos. 280 00:14:23.154 --> 00:14:25.334 My first step after discovering that 281 00:14:25.714 --> 00:14:27.495 they held a true plane 282 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:30.860 and that the treaty did stipulate 283 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:37.340 the protection of such land and that the they did have the title and the villages had title to this land, 284 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:43.899 I decided to organize and unite the people of the various land grants, which are called pueblos. 285 00:14:45.054 --> 00:14:46.195 It is these pueblos 286 00:14:46.975 --> 00:14:50.034 who hold the land, who owns the land, not the individuals, 287 00:14:50.495 --> 00:14:53.634 not the heirs. The heirs hold certain right through the village, 288 00:14:54.095 --> 00:14:56.355 through the Pueblo Council or city council, 289 00:14:56.860 --> 00:14:57.679 more popular 290 00:14:58.379 --> 00:14:58.879 call. 291 00:15:00.540 --> 00:15:02.139 And in 1963, 292 00:15:02.139 --> 00:15:02.639 after 293 00:15:03.980 --> 00:15:05.519 due and through investigation, 294 00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:13.365 I decided to organize the Alianza Federal de Mercedes, Federal Alliance of Land Grants, 295 00:15:13.985 --> 00:15:20.325 which was whose papers and documents were confiscated by the federal government in 1967. 296 00:15:20.384 --> 00:15:25.799 And then we decided to dissolve the organization and convert it into a political organization, which is now 297 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.339 called Federal Alliance of Free City States. 298 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:35.659 The fight has been going for the last one hundred and twenty years. It is not true 299 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:41.419 that we started the fight. In many local papers, it has been proven and written 300 00:15:41.875 --> 00:15:44.934 in the front page that the problem or 301 00:15:45.475 --> 00:15:48.295 the trouble did not started by with Tijerina. 302 00:15:48.915 --> 00:15:49.894 It was there. 303 00:15:50.514 --> 00:15:51.415 But the people 304 00:15:54.529 --> 00:16:00.309 had not succeed in bringing their claim, their cry across the nation. See, the nation was ignorant of this 305 00:16:00.850 --> 00:16:03.089 organized conspiracy and and criminal, 306 00:16:04.209 --> 00:16:06.629 confiscation of the federal government against the people. 307 00:16:07.009 --> 00:16:09.509 It was there, and it has been there all the time. 308 00:16:10.165 --> 00:16:11.305 But the public, 309 00:16:13.365 --> 00:16:14.665 has been kept ignorant 310 00:16:15.045 --> 00:16:16.024 of the fact. 311 00:16:16.485 --> 00:16:17.945 Only the local bankers, 312 00:16:18.884 --> 00:16:19.384 politicians 313 00:16:20.245 --> 00:16:22.585 and rich men and renters 314 00:16:23.125 --> 00:16:24.105 know the fact, 315 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:25.500 But they, 316 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.019 in collusion with with the news media, 317 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:31.899 keep it quiet. Until now, 318 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:34.460 they could no longer do it because the Alianza 319 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.339 broke through the silence barrier. 320 00:16:38.424 --> 00:16:39.165 It was, 321 00:16:39.545 --> 00:16:44.924 when we were to hold a meeting, a nationwide meeting in Coyote, New Mexico. 322 00:16:45.545 --> 00:16:48.125 Coyote is a Spanish word for coyote. 323 00:16:48.985 --> 00:16:51.565 So it was there. We published it in news media, 324 00:16:52.184 --> 00:16:54.240 radio press, and TV for a month. 325 00:16:55.279 --> 00:17:00.179 But there's a man that is being used by the senator of New Mexico, senator Montoya, 326 00:17:00.959 --> 00:17:03.539 who wants to make an end for himself. And 327 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:06.019 and then the news media 328 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:07.619 provoked 329 00:17:08.244 --> 00:17:09.784 and teased its men by 330 00:17:10.085 --> 00:17:13.544 calling that meeting at Coyote a showdown day meeting 331 00:17:14.325 --> 00:17:15.865 between the people and the government. 332 00:17:17.125 --> 00:17:17.525 So, 333 00:17:18.164 --> 00:17:21.224 making the state police believe that there was gonna be a shootout, 334 00:17:22.490 --> 00:17:25.950 the district attorney, Alfonso Sanchez, decided to put all 335 00:17:26.330 --> 00:17:27.630 his resources and 336 00:17:28.009 --> 00:17:35.630 call the chief of police, Joe Black, and call all the state militia state police, block all the roads and start arresting everybody 337 00:17:36.090 --> 00:17:37.294 on the grounds of unlawful 338 00:17:37.754 --> 00:17:38.254 assembly. 339 00:17:39.914 --> 00:17:43.534 Naturally, the people were too strong, too brave to 340 00:17:44.954 --> 00:17:47.134 swallow such a stupid accusation 341 00:17:47.674 --> 00:17:49.774 and grounds for arrest. 342 00:17:50.690 --> 00:17:52.309 They were enraged. They were angry. 343 00:17:52.690 --> 00:17:54.630 And in this state of anger, 344 00:17:56.369 --> 00:18:01.589 the following day after the mass arrest, they decided to arrest themselves, arrest 345 00:18:01.890 --> 00:18:03.109 the district attorney. 346 00:18:03.730 --> 00:18:05.190 They were furnished 347 00:18:05.714 --> 00:18:07.174 with a warrant of arrest, 348 00:18:07.954 --> 00:18:12.134 official documents signed by the Alcalde, the mayor of San Joaquin, 349 00:18:12.755 --> 00:18:14.375 the deputies and the volunteers 350 00:18:14.835 --> 00:18:17.654 who went to Tierra Maria, the next town, to arrest 351 00:18:18.115 --> 00:18:19.174 Alfonso Sanchez. 352 00:18:19.950 --> 00:18:21.970 It was a plain citizen's arrest. 353 00:18:22.589 --> 00:18:25.650 It was turned out into a shootout because of the state police. 354 00:18:26.349 --> 00:18:27.809 That day, there were 355 00:18:28.909 --> 00:18:29.409 a 356 00:18:30.190 --> 00:18:32.529 a hearing was being held 357 00:18:33.125 --> 00:18:34.105 for the Alianza 358 00:18:34.565 --> 00:18:36.345 leaders that were being tried. 359 00:18:38.244 --> 00:18:38.744 And 360 00:18:39.684 --> 00:18:40.424 of course, 361 00:18:41.605 --> 00:18:44.024 the following was published throughout the 362 00:18:44.325 --> 00:18:48.220 nation and the world that There was a revolution going on in Tierra Maria. 363 00:18:49.399 --> 00:18:50.859 Governor David Cargill, 364 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.179 whose wife is a member of the Lianza, 365 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:54.700 was in 366 00:18:55.159 --> 00:18:58.380 Michigan with Governor Romney, George Romney. 367 00:18:59.224 --> 00:19:01.325 Immediately, he was called and took his special, 368 00:19:02.025 --> 00:19:04.365 army jet to fly back to New Mexico. 369 00:19:04.984 --> 00:19:05.884 Me in the meantime, 370 00:19:06.825 --> 00:19:07.644 mister Francis, 371 00:19:08.904 --> 00:19:09.144 the, 372 00:19:09.705 --> 00:19:10.765 lieutenant governor 373 00:19:11.429 --> 00:19:13.049 summoned the national guard, 374 00:19:13.750 --> 00:19:14.250 state 375 00:19:15.589 --> 00:19:16.909 police, a 150 376 00:19:17.269 --> 00:19:20.409 50 mounted police, and they and they brought in 377 00:19:21.429 --> 00:19:22.490 three, battle 378 00:19:23.190 --> 00:19:24.490 tanks and helicopters, 379 00:19:24.869 --> 00:19:26.009 airplanes, and 380 00:19:26.464 --> 00:19:27.845 so on. And the whole 381 00:19:28.625 --> 00:19:30.884 state was turned into a state of confusion. 382 00:19:32.224 --> 00:19:34.964 And, even the air force in in Albuquerque, 383 00:19:35.424 --> 00:19:39.205 Kirtland Air Force, Sandia Air Force, all the personnel were 384 00:19:39.580 --> 00:19:41.840 pulled out of the out of the air 385 00:19:44.140 --> 00:19:46.080 airbase into the city of Albuquerque 386 00:19:46.460 --> 00:19:49.600 because they have been threatened to telephone that they were gonna be bombed. 387 00:19:50.220 --> 00:19:52.160 Even the state penitentiary was 388 00:19:52.694 --> 00:19:53.194 triplicated 389 00:19:53.575 --> 00:19:54.394 their their, 390 00:19:56.214 --> 00:19:56.714 guards, 391 00:19:57.414 --> 00:19:59.595 and the whole state was in a state of confusion. 392 00:20:00.214 --> 00:20:02.474 This all started because a conference, 393 00:20:03.095 --> 00:20:11.019 a a meeting was going to be held? Yes. In Coyote, New Mexico. Right. Yes, they blocked they sabotaged our meeting, and naturally, the people, 394 00:20:11.399 --> 00:20:12.140 well educated, 395 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:12.980 they 396 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:13.819 refused 397 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:16.380 to allow 398 00:20:17.399 --> 00:20:19.980 stupid men temper and fool around 399 00:20:21.035 --> 00:20:23.454 with our rights, our constitutional rights. 400 00:20:24.075 --> 00:20:29.934 See, in New Mexico, the people have been educated through the radio. We have a daily radio program, daily. 401 00:20:30.875 --> 00:20:36.015